From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 30 12:42:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9ED7316A40F for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 12:42:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olli@lurza.secnetix.de) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (lurza.secnetix.de [83.120.8.8]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE59843CA5 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 12:42:34 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from olli@lurza.secnetix.de) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (tedgnm@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id kAUCgZIi038496; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 13:42:41 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from oliver.fromme@secnetix.de) Received: (from olli@localhost) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.13.4/8.13.1/Submit) id kAUCgZLi038495; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 13:42:35 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from olli) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 13:42:35 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <200611301242.kAUCgZLi038495@lurza.secnetix.de> From: Oliver Fromme To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, ertr1013@student.uu.se In-Reply-To: <20061129182406.GA87529@owl.midgard.homeip.net> X-Newsgroups: list.freebsd-stable User-Agent: tin/1.8.2-20060425 ("Shillay") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/4.11-STABLE (i386)) X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.1.2 (lurza.secnetix.de [127.0.0.1]); Thu, 30 Nov 2006 13:42:41 +0100 (CET) Cc: Subject: Re: Problems unmounting/fssyncking extern UFS filesystem X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, ertr1013@student.uu.se List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 12:42:43 -0000 Erik Trulsson wrote: > Oliver Fromme wrote: > > Christopher Sean Hilton wrote: > > > Please understand that this is an honest question but isn't that true > > > only of IDE heritage drives. E.g. If a SCSI drive with Tagged Queuing > > > says that the the bits have been written doesn't it mean that the bits > > > have really been written? > > > > Right, unless the SCSI drive has a label saying "Quantum". > > In other words: Yes, assuming the SCSI drive works as it should. Not > all SCSI drives work as they should. Right. However, exactly the same is also true for IDE/ATA disks: assuming that they work as they should ... But it seems that for (server-grade) SCSI drives the chances are better than for (consumer-grade) IDE/ATA drives. > > PS: Quantum is today owned by maxtor, isn't it? I've lost > > track of HD manufacturers when Seagate bought Conner ... > > Quantum and Maxtor merged and became Maxtor. Maxtor was recently > bought by Seagate, so it is Seagate that owns Quantum these days. Uh, so now Seagate practically owns Quantum, Maxtor _and_ Conner? They got pretty fat then, it seems. Best regards Oliver -- Oliver Fromme, secnetix GmbH & Co. KG, Marktplatz 29, 85567 Grafing Dienstleistungen mit Schwerpunkt FreeBSD: http://www.secnetix.de/bsd Any opinions expressed in this message may be personal to the author and may not necessarily reflect the opinions of secnetix in any way. "I made up the term 'object-oriented', and I can tell you I didn't have C++ in mind." -- Alan Kay, OOPSLA '97