From owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 7 21:27:05 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CC131065673 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 21:27:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ivoras@gmail.com) Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.154]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9FC68FC12 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 21:27:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ivoras@gmail.com) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id l26so1121030fgb.35 for ; Fri, 07 Nov 2008 13:27:02 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=qx2DbmHcbkANBgnWkDwQJmoDD99r985LUg2bHz8GXvg=; b=f/XrAx+tSaEDTwRqx2TtQ2yP4K0uHCSAhtcMwptdaUQoCoqVnyzoXYhkKag1XbCxxA +vqFO5dzxTuIQMei6RhiRtEdHuk0xS2c4XMhI4MZBPphFFRjaJ1dIsthTm+ogb6l7yNm YFYiRANYPNq5i2eEdeeSm5lAfRtpFYa756bQg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references:x-google-sender-auth; b=s5SrD+83mUdIkXKz3no0363owuEY4wLfOViEMnYt+/JUo/4ld6wjltt7eYrityb8z3 mbsjmSghf2sthuMWKN2GIwJ1k216i3epHcQiiHWpScQAy69IT/2zd1+AyFTjcl0miREg 6ZGxYPF3RSyr0H1mgNNJgBPfTT1vR831AP4ow= Received: by 10.181.239.8 with SMTP id q8mr1185217bkr.109.1226093222771; Fri, 07 Nov 2008 13:27:02 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.181.225.15 with HTTP; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 13:27:02 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <9bbcef730811071327y494401eflfe7c7bcd64316a62@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 22:27:02 +0100 From: "Ivan Voras" Sender: ivoras@gmail.com To: "Ceri Davies" In-Reply-To: <20081107211228.GF34757@submonkey.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20081027193545.GA95872@pin.if.uz.zgora.pl> <20081028161855.GA45129@zim.MIT.EDU> <20081106192829.GA98742@pin.if.uz.zgora.pl> <20081106195558.GG2281@submonkey.net> <20081107163910.GA7007@zim.MIT.EDU> <9bbcef730811071013q35c04dd4gb582a286a709f22d@mail.gmail.com> <20081107211228.GF34757@submonkey.net> X-Google-Sender-Auth: d3a0142a3a5912dd Cc: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Directory rename semantics. X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 21:27:05 -0000 2008/11/7 Ceri Davies : > The point is that if you are concerned about these things then you > should be checking what file system you are using anyway, and therefore I agree - users should test before using, but... > there is no point in changing ZFS to match UFS. In an ideal world, I would like just the thing - obviously, within limits (things like ZFS snapshots and such are what makes ZFS - ZFS). A good goal would be to make file systems indistinguishable to non-administrative userland applications running on them. > ZFS ACLs are completely > disparate to UFS ones, for example, so what's the proposal to fix that > difference? Erm, exactly the thing that's supposed to be done, as described at: http://wiki.freebsd.org/ZFS :) "Currently ZFS on FreeBSD doesn't support ACLs. ZFS itself supports NFSv4-style ACLs, which is different than the existing POSIX.1e implementation in FreeBSD, which means that first thing to do is to add support for NFSv4-style ACLs to FreeBSD, which is being done as a GSoC project." I'm not going to argue this point just for the sake of arguing - I don't think I will convince you and I believe in my standpoint. Since I'm not able to work on either file system, I'll leave it to the people who will to decide :)