From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 18:11:29 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 767F616A4CE; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 18:11:29 +0000 (GMT) Received: from engine140.deployzone.net (engine140.deployzone.net [193.17.85.140]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 70F7943D1F; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 18:11:28 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chris@czv.com) Received: from adsl-212-90-218-5.cybernet.ch [212.90.218.5] by engine140.deployzone.net; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 19:10:50 +0100 In-Reply-To: <420E3C36.3030601@401.cx> References: <1108146951.31338.10.camel@hatter.wonderland.dn><20050211203848.55287.qmail@web53602.mail.yahoo.com><811873941.20050211232722@wanadoo.fr><420E27DD.1090200@401.cx> <32e1e7d9032b18f1fc7559f664a536ba@czv.com> <420E3C36.3030601@401.cx> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <953335bfa83d6330824041fb9665f8b7@czv.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Chris Zumbrunn Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 19:11:26 +0100 To: "Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 18:11:29 -0000 On Feb 12, 2005, at 6:26 PM, Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg wrote: > I advocate changes, you disagree with me, and then you list a lot of > points that should be changed? Im having difficulties with your logic > here. :) I'm not against the changes, of course. I'm not "against" a separate freebsd.com site either. But I disagree that there are no valid arguments against the site split. Changing the one combined site would be both possible and preferable. > All of your points are valid, there are so many things that would > improve FreeBSD's image with just a little tweaking. However, > everytime I've tried to suggest even the slightest change to > freebsd.org, people has started to kick and scream and preach about > the end of the OS as we know it. Therefor I have abandoned every hope > of ever make freebsd.org evolve, and instead joined the advocates of a > user-friendly freebsd.com website. > > Personally, Im backing out of this discussion now. I would love to see > something happen, but there is a limit to how much resistance and > stubbornes a man can take. Everytime this kind of discussion has come > up, I've tried my best to support any attempts of actually making > something happen, but the incredible amount of resistance we always > meet has made me question if its worth it. Until core or atleast a > group of committers *make* something happen, I doubt anything will > change. > > If you go ahead and try to change freebsd.org, I wish you the best of > luck. The brickwall you are about to bang youre head against is very > hard. ;) You may be right about that - or maybe the freebsd community will proof you wrong this time :-) ...Either way, I think there is to much talk and to much focus on the surface, cosmetic stuff. The hard work is in producing and collecting the content for the "freebsd.com" site - not in linking to it from a professional looking front page. That we can do, whichever TLD suffix (or alternative domain name for that matter!) it will use. /czv