From owner-freebsd-jobs@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jul 3 02:14:02 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-jobs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0746616A4CE for ; Sat, 3 Jul 2004 02:14:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from tomts5-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts5.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.25]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 302CA43D45 for ; Sat, 3 Jul 2004 02:14:01 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dlavigne6@sympatico.ca) Received: from [192.168.2.87] ([64.230.30.218]) by tomts5-srv.bellnexxia.netESMTP <20040703021400.SSFJ1984.tomts5-srv.bellnexxia.net@[192.168.2.87]> for ; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 22:14:00 -0400 Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 22:16:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Dru X-X-Sender: dlavigne6@dru.domain.org To: freebsd-jobs@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20040702232425.GB11501@wjv.com> Message-ID: <20040702220305.O564@dru.domain.org> References: <200407020926.31217@cmav> <20040702232425.GB11501@wjv.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: training (was Resourceful BSD/Linux Network Administrator) X-BeenThere: freebsd-jobs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Jobs offered and sought List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2004 02:14:02 -0000 On Fri, 2 Jul 2004, Bill Vermillion wrote: > I've been an outside consultant where a company hired a new grad > and sent them off to a school to learn what they needed. None of > them seemed to understand the system - just how to do certain > things. I think it's a symptom of the modern education systems > where people are taught to pass tests and are not educated in > the field of their choice. And modern education systems are getting worse, not better. Since I entered the training scene in 1997, I've seen 3 year curriculums get cut down to 4 months. Government programs, scholarships, and bursary programs slashed down to pittances. Apparantly, IT isn't as hot as it used to be. Worse, many who are hiring prefer someone with only 4 months of training and a superficial understanding of what they're being paid to do. That way they'll follow their scripts unquestioningly and not complain at being paid $10 an hour. I'd love to see a forum established to discuss how to bring quality BSD training to the masses. To create a curriculum that is practical, thought provoking, and available. However, freebsd-jobs isn't the place to hash it out. Anyone care to suggest a better place to continue on this thread? Dru