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To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Trying to understand base system packages Message-ID: Mail-Followup-To: questions@freebsd.org References: <20251205122830.cb88058f193987b47a95a77c@gmail.com> <20251205134510.6fae5caf@dorfdsl.de> <20251205143119.441cc1bd8722345d074a4480@gmail.com> <16e766b9-f442-4cef-a991-c940f6b8182a@gmail.com> <20251207081139.7e2f65b97b4c089ac0add431@gmail.com> <20251210203319.c248921c4e6aca9ba07458ae@gmail.com> List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="zvmr9soKQ3/i0lu/" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - s073.cyon.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - darktemple.ch X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: s073.cyon.net: authenticated_id: mma@darktemple.ch X-Authenticated-Sender: s073.cyon.net: mma@darktemple.ch X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.00 / 15.00]; SIGNED_PGP(-2.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.999]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[darktemple.ch:s=default]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[194.126.200.224:from]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[darktemple.ch:+]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[darktemple.ch]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; HAS_X_GMSV(0.00)[mma@darktemple.ch]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; HAS_X_AS(0.00)[mma@darktemple.ch]; HAS_X_ANTIABUSE(0.00)[]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; MISSING_XM_UA(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; ASN(0.00)[asn:47302, ipnet:194.126.200.0/24, country:CH]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4f9thk2W5gz44qW X-Spamd-Bar: ---- --zvmr9soKQ3/i0lu/ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Dec 11, 2025 at 12:22:30AM +0000, Lexi Winter wrote: >=20 > - it offers clear advantages for many users, despite having some rough > edges, so there is a user benefit to providing it for people who want > to use it; >=20 As a random, long time FreeBSD user: Those 'advantages' elude me and are anything but clear. But maybe that's just me, so y'all keep working on it and eventually I'll get it, when things take shape later down the road. 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