From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 29 15:01:10 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B00291065673; Thu, 29 Mar 2012 15:01:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jgreco@aurora.sol.net) Received: from mail2.sol.net (mail2.sol.net [206.55.64.73]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A7E28FC15; Thu, 29 Mar 2012 15:01:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from aurora.sol.net (IDENT:jgreco@aurora.sol.net [206.55.70.98]) by mail2.sol.net (8.14.4/8.14.4/SNNS-1.04) with ESMTP id q2TE1pH9062147; Thu, 29 Mar 2012 09:01:51 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by aurora.sol.net (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id q2TE1pLt079422; Thu, 29 Mar 2012 09:01:51 -0500 (CDT) From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <201203291401.q2TE1pLt079422@aurora.sol.net> To: dougb@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 09:01:51 -0500 (CDT) In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL8] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, Mark Felder , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Please help me diagnose this crazy VMWare/FreeBSD 8.x crash X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 15:01:10 -0000 > On 3/28/2012 1:59 PM, Mark Felder wrote: > > FreeBSD 8-STABLE, 8.3, and 9.0 are untested > > As much as I'm sensitive to your production requirements, realistically > it's not likely that you'll get a helpful result without testing a newer > version. 8.2 came out over a year ago, many many things have changed > since then. > > Doug So you're saying that he should have been using 8.3-RELEASE, then. If you'll kindly go over to http://www.freebsd.org and look under "Latest Releases", please note that "8.2" is a production release. If you don't want it to be a production release, then find a way to make it so, but please don't snipe at people who are using the code that the FreeBSD project has indicated is a current production offering. There are many good reasons not to run arbitrary snapshots on your production gear. It's unrealistic to expect people to run non- RELEASE non-production code on their production gear. We can have that discussion if you don't understand that, drop me a note off- list and I'll be happy to explain it. Otherwise, you've told him to run a "newer version," of which NONE IS AVAILABLE, unless you're thinking 9.0, but FreeBSD has a rather catastrophic history of "point zero" releases, and most clueful admins won't run those in production without carefully measuring the risks and benefits. So you've basically told him to run a newer version without any such version being realistically available. WTF? You want people not to use releases that "came out over a year ago"? The generally sensible solution to that is to release RELEASEs more than once every fourteen or fifteen months. ... JG -- Joe Greco - sol.net Network Services - Milwaukee, WI - http://www.sol.net "We call it the 'one bite at the apple' rule. Give me one chance [and] then I won't contact you again." - Direct Marketing Ass'n position on e-mail spam(CNN) With 24 million small businesses in the US alone, that's way too many apples.