From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Thu Feb 9 15:47:16 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C3A2CD819D for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2017 15:47:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from swills@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (unknown [127.0.1.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 090B919D1 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2017 15:47:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from swills@FreeBSD.org) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 05843CD819C; Thu, 9 Feb 2017 15:47:16 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: ports@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0529BCD819B for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2017 15:47:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from swills@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mouf.net (mouf.net [IPv6:2607:fc50:0:4400:216:3eff:fe69:33b3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mouf.net", Issuer "mouf.net" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CA5F619CE for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2017 15:47:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from swills@FreeBSD.org) Received: from [10.0.1.70] (cpe-071-065-239-148.nc.res.rr.com [71.65.239.148] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by mouf.net (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id v19Fl31m000767 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Thu, 9 Feb 2017 15:47:08 GMT (envelope-from swills@FreeBSD.org) Subject: Re: Install of pkg fuse-ntfs fails because of undefined symbol in pkg!?! To: Franco Fichtner References: <1c6cccac-b151-d13c-c763-b336c4680118@freebsd.org> <35a953e3-918b-fc32-d990-51f7da16c884@FreeBSD.org> Cc: scratch65535@att.net, freebsd-ports From: Steve Wills Message-ID: <451770c6-f2d3-6ca4-183e-532ea5f1ee89@FreeBSD.org> Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2017 10:47:03 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="g8fPlrIkHW6uWSK4knSrhLMV79nQfLC40" X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (mouf.net [199.48.129.64]); Thu, 09 Feb 2017 15:47:09 +0000 (UTC) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.7 required=4.5 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,PLING_QUERY autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on mouf.net X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.99.2 at mouf.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2017 15:47:16 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --g8fPlrIkHW6uWSK4knSrhLMV79nQfLC40 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="TiknjvI6WQKpjT2Jqvau7HgAaMawOlgxW"; protected-headers="v1" From: Steve Wills To: Franco Fichtner Cc: scratch65535@att.net, freebsd-ports Message-ID: <451770c6-f2d3-6ca4-183e-532ea5f1ee89@FreeBSD.org> Subject: Re: Install of pkg fuse-ntfs fails because of undefined symbol in pkg!?! References: <1c6cccac-b151-d13c-c763-b336c4680118@freebsd.org> <35a953e3-918b-fc32-d990-51f7da16c884@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: --TiknjvI6WQKpjT2Jqvau7HgAaMawOlgxW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, On 02/09/2017 10:30, Franco Fichtner wrote: > Hi Steve, >=20 >> On 9 Feb 2017, at 4:09 PM, Steve Wills wrote: >> >> Ports and packages are maintained on the assumption that the user is >> using a supported version of the OS. We didn't decide when to end >> support for 10.1 or 10.2. How long after the end of life for 10.1 woul= d >> you have ports maintain support? >=20 > The issue is quite simple and cause of multiple issues: >=20 > FreeBSD package management makes an ABI promise in the form of > "FreeBSD:10:amd64", but not even pkg code itself adheres to this, > and thus we have had subtle and yet fatal breakage in 10.2 and 10.3. >=20 > And since pkg acts according to the imposed paradigm of a unified > ABI, this will continue to be a source of problems for users who > cannot know what's going on, lest even know how to fix it. >=20 > They simply run: >=20 > # pkg upgrade >=20 > And then their systems are unusable *and* not fixable with pkg. >=20 > What are they supposed to do? They come here. They want to make > everyone aware that this is a serious issue that shouldn't repeat > in FreeBSD 11. It's not to late to do that by pinning the pkg ABI > to 11.0 by forcing the proper feature macros. They're supposed to upgrade to a supported version of FreeBSD. 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