From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 13 12:56:37 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8CAF16A419 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 12:56:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tataz@tataz.chchile.org) Received: from smtp5-g19.free.fr (smtp5-g19.free.fr [212.27.42.35]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FF2013C45D for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 12:56:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tataz@tataz.chchile.org) Received: from smtp5-g19.free.fr (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp5-g19.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2E7B3F6166; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 13:56:35 +0100 (CET) Received: from tatooine.tataz.chchile.org (tataz.chchile.org [82.233.239.98]) by smtp5-g19.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35AC63F6173; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 13:56:35 +0100 (CET) Received: from obiwan.tataz.chchile.org (unknown [192.168.1.25]) by tatooine.tataz.chchile.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF8649BF12; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 12:52:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: by obiwan.tataz.chchile.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 9F0DE405B; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 13:52:59 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 13:52:59 +0100 From: Jeremie Le Hen To: Mark Linimon Message-ID: <20080113125259.GB27473@obiwan.tataz.chchile.org> References: <478556AD.6090400@bsdforen.de> <20080110003524.GB5188@soaustin.net> <200801111935.50821.peter.schuller@infidyne.com> <478887B4.9030906@bsdforen.de> <20080112115624.GE60060@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> <20080113041622.GC14666@soaustin.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20080113041622.GC14666@soaustin.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.15 (2007-04-06) Cc: Peter Jeremy , freebsd-current@freebsd.org, Peter Schuller , Dominic Fandrey Subject: Re: Improving the handling of PR:s X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 12:56:37 -0000 Hi, On Sat, Jan 12, 2008 at 10:16:22PM -0600, Mark Linimon wrote: > On Sat, Jan 12, 2008 at 10:56:24PM +1100, Peter Jeremy wrote: > > This PR brings up an issue that has been mentioned elsewhere in this > > thread: Even where a PR contains a patch, a committer may be unwilling > > to commit the change because they are unable to verify the patch > > themselves. > > We need to generate some kind of way for people to volunteer to test > some of these patches. e.g. "I am willing to test patches affecting > the USB subsystem, and I have the following list of parts: ..." I've just read the very interesting sub-thread started by Peter Schuller two days ago. As you guys have just said, it seems a major problem with PR relating to drivers is that committers don't own the exact same hardware so are not able to verify the patch correctness. On the other hand, I'm pretty confident there is a non-marginal number of people (read, non-committers) are willing to help handling PR: I'm not talking of any official hat here, but those people could contribute to a database with the hardware they own (think, pciconf(8)) so that they can be contacted back if a patch affects the hardware they are using. I think that a fair amount of folks running -CURRENT can and will help for this, why would they be running it otherwise? This practice is a step toward Peter Schuller's proposition of having a group of self-proclaimed non-committers giving feed back to the PR. Regards, -- Jeremie Le Hen < jeremie at le-hen dot org >< ttz at chchile dot org >