From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 2 20:47:50 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A4E316A526; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 20:47:50 +0000 (GMT) Received: from burka.carrier.kiev.ua (burka.carrier.kiev.ua [193.193.193.107]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE7C543D1F; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 20:47:48 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from netch@lucky.net) Received: from burka.carrier.kiev.ua (netch@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by burka.carrier.kiev.ua with ESMTP id iB2KladX087628; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 22:47:37 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from netch@burka.carrier.kiev.ua) Received: (from netch@localhost) by burka.carrier.kiev.ua (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id iB2KlaRj087625; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 22:47:36 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from netch) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 22:47:36 +0200 From: Valentin Nechayev To: Scott Long Message-ID: <20041202204735.GA74249@lucky.net> References: <41AE3F80.1000506@freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In-Reply-To: <41AE3F80.1000506@freebsd.org> X-42: On X-Verify-Sender: Address has been verified (burka.carrier.kiev.ua) X-Antivirus: Dr.Web (R) for Mail Servers on kozlik.carrier.kiev.ua host X-Antivirus-Code: 100000 cc: hackers@freebsd.org cc: "current@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: My project wish-list for the next 12 months X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: netch@lucky.net List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 20:47:50 -0000 Wed, Dec 01, 2004 at 15:02:40, scottl wrote about "My project wish-list fo= r the next 12 months":=20 [...] > 2. New installer. I know some people still consider this a joke, but > the reality is that sysinstall is no longer state of the art. It's > fairly good at the simple task that it does, but it's becoming harder > and harder to fix bugs and extend functionality in it. It's also > fairly unfriendly to those of us who haven't been using it since 1995. > The DFly folks have some very interesting work in this area > (www.bsdinstaller.com) and it would be very good to see if we can > collaborate with them on it. If we're going to discuss admin-friendiness... - Resplit distribution sets. It's simply shame when unpacking base overwrit= es existing log files (e.g. during binary upgrade). At least /etc and /var/log _must_ be separated. Also, I consider openbsd scheme to be pleasant: separate build tools set (gcc, binutils, etc.) =66rom main functioning set. As maximum, convert them into packages and register along with ports. - Fix the most ugly sysinstall features. E.g. setting active flags on all partitions by default, along with setting MBR, leads to unbootable system. This was _constant_ students' error on FreeBSD administration courses. - Provide more administrative tools. For now, one can't see interface queue lengths, netgraph queue lens, tune their sizes, calculate memory occupied by a bunch of processes without multiple counting shared pages... -netch-