From owner-cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 9 17:41:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cvs-all@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: cvs-all@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2314B16A41F; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 17:41:20 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from phk@phk.freebsd.dk) Received: from haven.freebsd.dk (haven.freebsd.dk [130.225.244.222]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B399343D45; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 17:41:19 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from phk@phk.freebsd.dk) Received: from phk.freebsd.dk (unknown [192.168.48.2]) by haven.freebsd.dk (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5854BC66; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 17:41:16 +0000 (UTC) To: Jens Schweikhardt From: "Poul-Henning Kamp" In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 09 Aug 2005 19:24:44 +0200." <20050809172444.GA2274@schweikhardt.net> Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 19:41:16 +0200 Message-ID: <55991.1123609276@phk.freebsd.dk> Sender: phk@phk.freebsd.dk Cc: cvs-src@FreeBSD.org, Ceri Davies , cvs-all@FreeBSD.org, src-committers@FreeBSD.org, Jens Schweikhardt Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/games/fortune/datfiles fortunes fortunes2-o X-BeenThere: cvs-all@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: CVS commit messages for the entire tree List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 17:41:20 -0000 In message <20050809172444.GA2274@schweikhardt.net>, Jens Schweikhardt writes: > Hitler used methods against white men in Europe, which by tacit > agreement between the cultural European nations were only to be > used against the coloured. > -- Poul Henningsen [1894-1967] > % > >This is clearly racist in my world. I have no doubt about this quote's >offensiveness. Moving it is 100% justified. If you for a moment disregard the H-word which clearly gets your knickers in a twist, you will notice that the quote accuses all the "cultural European nations" of committing crimes against colored people and of doing so complicitly and knowingly. That European countries, en-banc were racist until after second world war is a matter of record, there is no dispute about that. The quote above is *attacking* that racism, not advocating it. The first quoute, being as it seems a literal quote from a historical figure, is no more illegal in Germany than the testimony from they Nüremberg trials are. What is banned in Germany is advocacy, history is not banned, and in particular, teaching history is not banned. The third one is self-irony, I've heard it myself from Jewish friends and while that context might missing, it is certainly not offensive just because it uses the H-word. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 phk@FreeBSD.ORG | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence.