From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 16 07:57:18 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EDE016A4B3; Tue, 16 Sep 2003 07:57:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [204.156.12.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5667043FDF; Tue, 16 Sep 2003 07:57:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from arr@watson.org) Received: from fledge.watson.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fledge.watson.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h8GEtvrO037028; Tue, 16 Sep 2003 10:55:57 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from arr@watson.org) Received: from localhost (arr@localhost)h8GEtvqW037025; Tue, 16 Sep 2003 10:55:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: fledge.watson.org: arr owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 10:55:57 -0400 (EDT) From: "Andrew R. Reiter" To: Scott Long In-Reply-To: <3F672308.1080909@freebsd.org> Message-ID: <20030916105328.Q36781@fledge.watson.org> References: <3F66A446.7090408@freebsd.org> <20030916131622.N54869@news1.macomnet.ru> <20030916200513.R4917@gamplex.bde.org> <3F672308.1080909@freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: Maxim Konovalov cc: current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Release Engineering Status Report X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 14:57:18 -0000 On Tue, 16 Sep 2003, Scott Long wrote: :Bruce Evans wrote: :> On Tue, 16 Sep 2003, Maxim Konovalov wrote: :> :> :>>PAE MFC brought an incredible instability to stable branch. It :>>affects 100% of our user community especially when we issued several :>>SAs since PAE commit. They often can't switch to RELENG_4_x security :>>branches because even RELENG_4_8 misses several critical non-security :>>fixes. :> :> :> I merged PAE into my version of -current a bit at a time and didn't :> notice any problems (with PAE not actually configured) despite having :> some large logical inconsistencies from not having all of it. Most :> of the global changes had no effect since they just changed the names :> of some typedefs without changing the underlying types in the !PAE :> case. So I suspect that any instabilities in RELENG_4 in the !PAE :> case are indirectly related to PAE and/or localized and thus easy to :> find and fix. :> :> Bruce :> : :Agreed. PAE was merged into -stable in three steps. Backing out the :third step and leaving the first two steps removes the instability. :Unfortunately, it was the third step that also was the most complex. :In any case, we have 2 weeks to find the resolution before the decision :must be made on keeping or tossing PAE. Since PAE is a *highly* :sought after feature, it would be doing a disservice to our user base :to remove it without putting in some effort to fix it. : I fully agree with the last statement here. One reason my current employer left FreeBSD 4.x and went to linux for our embedded system was due to the lack of PAE support. We were planning to implement the extensions ourself, but, unfortunately, we in engineering were affected by time and money issues. Scott, keep up the good work. Cheers, Andrew -- Andrew R. Reiter arr@watson.org arr@FreeBSD.org