Date: Thu, 28 Dec 1995 12:48:38 -0800 From: "Amancio Hasty Jr." <hasty@rah.star-gate.com> To: sos@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: jkh@time.cdrom.com, msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, jdli@linux.csie.nctu.edu.tw, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: syscons driver Message-ID: <199512282048.MAA02380@rah.star-gate.com> In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 28 Dec 1995 21:18:38 %2B0100." <199512282018.VAA14682@ra.dkuug.dk>
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>>> sos@FreeBSD.ORG said:
> In reply to Amancio Hasty Jr. who wrote:
> > >
> > > I think the main reasons we dont see all those nifty GUI based apps, is
> > > 1. we dont have the nessesary (easy to use) tools
> > > 2. what we have is based on X which have its own set of problems
> > > 3. there has been no other "simplistic" approach to this before (that I
> > > know of)
> > >
> >
> > First of, we got to have people willing to write apps 8)
>
> Yes, that was why I took that as point 1..
>
> > X by itself is okay -- hard to use however it is flexible enough so
> > that we can build wrappers around it to make the job easier.
> > tcl/tk has generated a few GUI tools which make it easier to write
> > tools yet I have not seen hardly any native freebsd apps.
> > So lets see the general progression: X, tcl/tk, InterViews, motif .
>
> Yeah, but they all suffer from being resource hogs of the worst kind.
> What I'd like to see was that all the simple things would be done
> on a GUI basis too, and much of that *MUST* run on minimal hardware.
Me thinks this group is too OS centric .
The point that it must run on minimal hardware is debatable at this time
tnks to Win95 8) Many are upgrading the systems with enough resources
to run a multitasking operating system. I bought a P100 not too long ago and
it is expected that P100 will be the entry level Pentium in less than
6 months . Disks are cheap now days. Due to Win95 many are gettting 16MB
of memory.
> > Granted all the tools have something wrong with them however one would
> > think that by now many cool FreeBSD apps would have been written with
> > the existing tool base. Perhaps, what we need more than yet another
> > wonderful GUI tool is a set of goals or ideas for people to work on ...
>
> Hmm, I think taht if our tools where good enough (and cough cough well
> documented), there would be much more of these thingies
>
> If it is only the ideas that is missing, oh boy I could make you a list
> longer than a roll of toilet paper...
>
Well, I do have my own list of tasks and ideas so I don't need it and the
folks on rah's multimedia mailing list so far got plenty of projects
to work on 8)
However, lets create a cool list of ideas (scrap the toilet paper reference
cause you want to attract people) . Load the cool idea list along with
a sign up sheet on the FreeBSD Web page and lets see what happens.
Along with the cool idea web page we should include a reference to the
FreeBSD Mail Archive Web page cause we don't want to be answering questions
such as, has this been done before or is anyone working on this?
Also it will not hurt if people send to the mailing list a brief description
of what projects or ideas they are thinking of .
Somehow, we got to foster a creative environ where things get done!
Enjoy,
Amancio
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