From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 7 08:34:14 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C253C16A4CE for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 08:34:14 +0000 (GMT) Received: from matrix.gatewaynet.com (matrix.gatewaynet.com [217.19.69.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0F4543D46 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 08:34:13 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from achill@matrix.gatewaynet.com) Received: from matrix.gatewaynet.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by matrix.gatewaynet.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0798vT5016962; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 11:08:57 +0200 Received: from localhost (achill@localhost)j0798vOH016958; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 11:08:57 +0200 Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 11:08:57 +0200 (EET) From: Achilleus Mantzios To: Panagiotis Astithas In-Reply-To: <41DE4504.5040300@ebs.gr> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT cc: java@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FW: Sun revokes FreeBSD license for Java X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 08:34:14 -0000 O Panagiotis Astithas έγραψε στις Jan 7, 2005 : > Achilleus Mantzios wrote: > > First off, Good Year to anyone. > > > > I'd like to share my thoughts on the FreeBSD binary java distribution > > and the FreeBSD Foundation issue. > > > > I pretty much acklowledge the efforts of the FBSDF, as well as > > that the diablo jdk13 is the only one achievement of the FBSDF, at least > > as it presented > > in their site. Also ,the funding of Alexey's work was essential > > in the viability of the jdk14 port. > > > > However, as another person said, freebsd users > > only use the port and not the binary. > > And taking into account the many areas of need in the rest of > > the system in its current status (5-STABLE, CURRENT), > > i think it would make sense to save the money that was supposed > > to go to SUN, for funding development of other areas in the system. > > > > Most users are quite happy with jdk14 i suppose. > > Although I am one of those users happily using the jdk14 port, I can't > say that I find the situation satisfying. When I am trying to pitch a > Java solution on FreeBSD to a customer I have to ask them to have the > jdk preinstalled for me, since I can't legally redistribute it. Clients > who don't have an existing FreeBSD installation or don't care about the > solution's underlying OS (which is why they usually pick Java in the > first place), wonder why on earth they should not go with Linux instead. If they dont already have an existing FreeBSD installation, then probably it makes zero sense to have one just for deploying a java app. And to go further, If they dont already have an existing linux installation, the analogy still holds. It depends on the nature of the application. Lets say, If its a large system and the particular customer is a FreeBSD user already, then it wouldn't cost too much to have their admin (or you) spend 2 hours building jdk14. Otherwise if the customer has decided to go with his/her (other) OS of choice, then he/she is totally enitled to live with it. > > For developer's like myself the port is fine. For managers (either > selling or bying products) it is a nightmare. Personally, I consider > Alexey's financial support and the binary distribution license as the > most important thing that the FreeBSD Foundation has ever done for the > future of the community. > > Cheers, > Panagiotis > -- -Achilleus