From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Wed Dec 20 19:15:24 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3494E9E02A for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2017 19:15:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from johalun0@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wm0-x22f.google.com (mail-wm0-x22f.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::22f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E5C107D2D6 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2017 19:15:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from johalun0@gmail.com) Received: by mail-wm0-x22f.google.com with SMTP id i11so11701048wmf.4 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2017 11:15:22 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=xsG2BaS1FllvSA+rymjL63+w1U8TUpxZ/i/PIzrn1b4=; b=Nk1ih/jMK4XnD0mjHTTrdCU2yOrvmhYUk0WcKKkERqMPbSMEqKmln58rcVcFAkXTYr IrKwxLud1E0ZrH6kP/JblrSZKiSuFXHmcnP2cjTNAD6T8iK9b/tR/F/liw1/JfzH5P/8 e9uUS8j+BVond1JZoflgfskmUHqSu8evkwaO8F4cVvXGoupP0h23czfwp9pAXIaAZChW yszL4o7WxRR+aA0cQUMzMg0aHmMDp+4UbVMAcWSlJiXjexvqeDsIWsqRH2iI9s1/4lqn ht8BBGm+tAfaKpby035jGEbjOd75wWr4dgoWDegjY65YSpA8mMxlS0B9hmrvE8b2uVz6 08Ww== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=xsG2BaS1FllvSA+rymjL63+w1U8TUpxZ/i/PIzrn1b4=; b=bbF+W63Es3JUBC5iTnyd65QSlWNH+5TjGscpzsx2mvdLBv8BoUecxsHQkUatB/Q2Xa 4tFc5HzorLC3cQ7c11UpWydzVAewLYIm0BJ5TJxOPWh4utMvl4qyyImUt4rq7hyTTYZI dAzLtCX7zYIjVZgwKPOQYMMrFN5SdNy3uRLbOQchmzqLK9hR1w0v5TXbv0u36AQ5POjE ioyoGFC++LlJ2M0w9YTo9YdvzQczsLvu+sTCQ0yZxN6KNRdMMPY1CYdtZ8++BVaE/gUu 4y+N37JzcvFoae2Mi90ZR99Y6aXzDIBjutDu6VCUa4U1NZVc2ZlL1Fw3CeIPqLN38WdH PeCw== X-Gm-Message-State: AKGB3mIQuLPcZye4owEPZln4o0JSG9HjT6PuP3zf6WpYIIj059I4VxDr 8UzxNPZklQOonjpkBp3On7DmpNCiRUIuK8Um68k= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACJfBot/Xtm5cCeojjATv/rbBprV7ZztJdMN0LbNLOT0oEO0FAqT3l/pb1GwcBn7JhKJGn0V5SwxGCrDZ1E2w+EAlRg= X-Received: by 10.28.55.201 with SMTP id e192mr1334839wma.1.1513797321196; Wed, 20 Dec 2017 11:15:21 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.197.68 with HTTP; Wed, 20 Dec 2017 11:14:40 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <3267de19-6e00-a72a-e2a7-abb322ccf7ac@rawbw.com> References: <3267de19-6e00-a72a-e2a7-abb322ccf7ac@rawbw.com> From: Johannes Lundberg Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2017 19:14:40 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Vote: making wayland=on default To: Yuri Cc: FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2017 19:15:25 -0000 Hi Yuri To be clear, we're not transitioning to anything, we're simply adding more options. Compare it to adding a new window manager for X, it doesn't mean you have to stop using the existing ones... On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 5:39 PM, Yuri wrote: > On 12/20/17 01:20, Johannes Lundberg wrote: >> >> For any Desktop user (as well as embedded devices >> like IVI-systems and whatnot), Wayland is the future. There's no >> escaping that. > > > Over the history of its development, Wayland could never clearly answer the > question "What are the benefits of Wayland for the end user?". > Additionally, they always advocated the removal of features like networked > connections, window manager features. > > It appears that this is the case of fixing of something (xorg) that > wasn't/isn't broken in the first place. And if it is considered broken, then > how, in which way? > > But you are right, it is a reality that Wayand devs had enough horsepower to > eventually, after many years, make it and now impose it on everybody, and > force it to be a future reality. > > There are a lot of things that need to be verified that they work: x11vnc, > the ability to connect to a display remotely, every window manager should > work with it, ex. xfce4, dwm. > > People should be asking the question "What's the benefit of the transition > to X?". The answer should include the functional benefits to users, not just > "We need to switch to something called X." What new features or improvements > will users actually see? > > > Just my 2c. > Yuri >