From owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Thu Apr 9 19:05:45 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB17827B2EB for ; Thu, 9 Apr 2020 19:05:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carpeddiem@gmail.com) Received: from mail-il1-f182.google.com (mail-il1-f182.google.com [209.85.166.182]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 48yrFj29pWz46Mf for ; Thu, 9 Apr 2020 19:05:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carpeddiem@gmail.com) Received: by mail-il1-f182.google.com with SMTP id a6so755880ilr.4 for ; Thu, 09 Apr 2020 12:05:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=i1GHfnDoN837xn9l2+dCeoEGk7gq0DMG62q18XH7xuI=; b=V9jVIsZGfcSYseMoOyFpj/sMXvjBCiXfwVF+JpIOivHWSfMGU6HqIwO4X6kYNFQ07l IejrDj/T/xeVK0Lik8FO21PQvFyZL+yHQutJIRkVv9nBlI1/icAapPRA2SB2NIDRfkOW l9bjob53ObP+N6rosFj2/u/iJYb2WzAtDQ2iVTv80TPRrrvjzaTigzSVUEAoed5OPmDx UcrdXbN3SztiHPhoa7FAQIEbPCy0f0TJXlyieyAuVophIyOmn3+viyp9vXKFk5IFMz/d kHSdERrnA2MCNcSMN/qcE7PHEUG2GJPJO7cTWxGLco8kDT50VX0fjh3awoNa7QsmVimL 4oUw== X-Gm-Message-State: AGi0PuYaMm31R7d+SSb4A84lbUwSXFNx1dAtB1KPMVxFy9afKEFumSzX oIfkBOfaZQUgujORdg4KyVWDEAVbZgDZgBd9zfjLdlJT X-Google-Smtp-Source: APiQypJKXrjh2X+FyCm54qGOBHjNQfVjebo04R/zmKxa7tS0RFlYeNuVOK+YyGD3RD8ApJfCc/Go8H/sWQn3xZhyFrU= X-Received: by 2002:a92:790a:: with SMTP id u10mr1276027ilc.98.1586459143696; Thu, 09 Apr 2020 12:05:43 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ed Maste Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2020 15:05:32 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Ars Technica article on FreeBSD new user experience To: FreeBSD Hackers Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 48yrFj29pWz46Mf X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of carpeddiem@gmail.com designates 209.85.166.182 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=carpeddiem@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.39 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:209.85.128.0/17]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[182.166.85.209.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; IP_SCORE(-1.39)[ip: (-6.06), ipnet: 209.85.128.0/17(-0.40), asn: 15169(-0.43), country: US(-0.05)]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[emaste@freebsd.org,carpeddiem@gmail.com]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:209.85.128.0/17, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[emaste@freebsd.org,carpeddiem@gmail.com]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; TO_DOM_EQ_FROM_DOM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Apr 2020 19:05:46 -0000 Jim Salter has an article in Ars Technica discussing his experience with FreeBSD 12.1 as a desktop: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2020/04/not-actually-linux-distro-review-freebsd-12-1-release/ There are some points in there that might involve misunderstanding, but there are also a number of real issues raised about the experience a new (or newish) desktop FreeBSD user will have. It will be a good idea for us to examine these, and offer advice or corrections if appropriate, and otherwise look how we can improve the FreeBSD experience for new users.