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Sat, 8 Jun 2019 01:59:14 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from per@hedeland.org) Subject: Re: ntpd configutration -- a small suggestion from the peanut gallery To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <48793.1559715528@segfault.tristatelogic.com> <20190606171120.29f7fd85@gumby.homeunix.com> <37c862b6-f623-4210-9c77-c404e31f4808@www.fastmail.com> <20190607163631.461dc2b1@gumby.homeunix.com> From: Per Hedeland Message-ID: <23d69427-948a-b39e-9864-4bbf097b1a53@hedeland.org> Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2019 01:59:13 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.6.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: D1E518F9C8 X-Spamd-Bar: ------- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=outbound.mailhop.org header.s=dkim-high header.b=YbkFm7KE X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-7.37 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_XOIP(0.00)[]; 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Guilmette wrote: >>>>>> I feel sure that I'll be able to figure out how to get ntpd >>>>>> properly enabled & configured, but I would just like to offer, >>>>>> hunbly, to the Powers That Be, that it would be Nice if ntpd, >>>>>> once enabled during install, just worked, you know, right outta >>>>>> the box. >>>>> Adding >>>>> >>>>> ntpd_sync_on_start="YES" >>>>> >>>>> to /etc/rc.conf is one way. >>>> Perhaps it should be the default. >>> It is in CURRENT[1] & would be worth MFC although possibly too late >>> for 11.3R. >> That affects the istaller, but it's still off in defaults/rc.conf. The installer obviously creates the initial /etc/rc.conf, and AFAIU, the change referenced earlier in the thread provides an option for the installer to add 'ntpdate_enable="YES"' (*not* 'ntpd_sync_on_start="YES"') to that rc.conf. Seems 100% good to me. The default for both parameters remains "NO" in defaults/rc.conf AFAIK, which is as it should be IMHO - unconditionally subjecting all users to inverted default values in defaults/rc.conf without an *extremely* strong motivation is not the FreeBSD way, I think. > Losing a way to synchronously (with a reasonable timeout) set the time on boot is IMHO a nasty reversion and will bite people hard. There are plenty of things that react VERY poorly to the time going > backward; Dovecot is one of the more-popular ones (it EXITS if that happens!) so this sort of change IMHO needs careful consideration or a cold reboot of a server is likely to lead to services that do > not come back up. While I agree 100% with what you say here, I don't understand what you are referring to - I am not aware of anyone suggesting or any change amounting to "Losing a way ...". --Per