From owner-svn-src-all@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 20 06:20:23 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: svn-src-all@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFA8A106566B; Tue, 20 Dec 2011 06:20:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brde@optusnet.com.au) Received: from mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.186]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66FC48FC17; Tue, 20 Dec 2011 06:20:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from c211-28-227-231.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au (c211-28-227-231.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au [211.28.227.231]) by mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id pBK6KBo6020148 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 20 Dec 2011 17:20:13 +1100 Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 17:20:11 +1100 (EST) From: Bruce Evans X-X-Sender: bde@besplex.bde.org To: Warner Losh In-Reply-To: <0CAA5754-4FAC-4B87-92B7-439B109473C0@bsdimp.com> Message-ID: <20111220171740.X1005@besplex.bde.org> References: <201111291946.pATJkHMs064094@svn.freebsd.org> <4ED544E1.3050307@t-hosting.hu> <4ED545A9.8000304@FreeBSD.org> <0CAA5754-4FAC-4B87-92B7-439B109473C0@bsdimp.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="0-2051676617-1324362011=:1005" Cc: Doug Barton , Garrett Cooper , Max Khon , svn-src-all@FreeBSD.org, src-committers@FreeBSD.org, =?iso-8859-1?Q?G=E1bor_K=F6vesd=E1n?= , svn-src-head@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: svn commit: r228143 - in head: . share/mk tools/build/options X-BeenThere: svn-src-all@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "SVN commit messages for the entire src tree \(except for " user" and " projects" \)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 06:20:24 -0000 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --0-2051676617-1324362011=:1005 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE On Mon, 19 Dec 2011, Warner Losh wrote: > On Nov 29, 2011, at 1:53 PM, Garrett Cooper wrote: > >> 2011/11/29 Doug Barton : >>> On 11/29/2011 12:47, G=E1bor K=F6vesd=E1n wrote: >>>> On 2011.11.29. 20:46, Max Khon wrote: >>>>> Log: >>>>> Turn off profiled libs build by default. >>>>> Can be enabled back using WITH_PROFILE=3Dyes in /etc/src.conf >>>> I think it was useful. Profiling is useful for developing any piece of >>>> software that builds on libc or other common libs, even for software >>>> that is not directly related to FreeBSD. I think it should be reverted= =2E >>> >>> Since we ask users to read -current, it would be useful if our >>> developers did too. :) >>> >>> As Max pointed out in his message about this, the profiled libs are onl= y >>> really useful to a tiny percentage of developers. If you need them, >>> twist the knob. Building them should be off by default. >> >> +1. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. As suggested >> elsewhere, I think it would also be a good idea to enable it in >> tinderbox builds. > > -1. The needs of the many? Please. Let's break a useful feature becaus= e some people don't understand it and are impatient? That's lame. Don't be silly. Building profiled libraries takes as much as 1 minute. Many would not want to wait that long (if they noticed how long it takes). This is not 1994 when building of profiling libraries was left in because it only took an extra hour or or so. Bruce --0-2051676617-1324362011=:1005--