From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 15 10:26:27 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8FCA16A4CE for ; Mon, 15 Mar 2004 10:26:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from postal2.es.net (postal2.es.net [198.128.3.206]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97FA443D41 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 2004 10:26:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from oberman@es.net) Received: from ptavv.es.net ([198.128.4.29]) by postal2.es.net (Postal Node 2) with ESMTP (SSL) id IBA74465; Mon, 15 Mar 2004 10:26:27 -0800 Received: from ptavv (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ptavv.es.net (Tachyon Server) with ESMTP id D1E485D04; Mon, 15 Mar 2004 10:26:26 -0800 (PST) To: des@des.no (Dag-Erling =?iso-8859-1?q?Sm=F8rgrav?=) In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 15 Mar 2004 10:22:53 +0100." Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 10:26:26 -0800 From: "Kevin Oberman" Message-Id: <20040315182626.D1E485D04@ptavv.es.net> cc: FreeBSD Current Subject: Re: ERROR: Required proxy user is missing, see /usr/src/UPDATING. X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 18:26:27 -0000 > From: des@des.no (Dag-Erling =?iso-8859-1?q?Sm=F8rgrav?=) > Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 10:22:53 +0100 > Sender: owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org > > Marcin Dalecki writes: > > Could you exchange the sentence "to create required user accounts" by > > "to create user accounts requires for proxy operation" or similar please. > > The error message is totally out of context otherwise. > > Go use Linux or something. While I get used to des rather acidic messages (and I DO understand how he feels), they (and others like it from several senior developers on the project) really can drive people away from FreeBSD for no good reason. Would it not be better to simply state that CURRENT is CURRENT and that those who try to run it without reading /usr/src/UPDATING regularly do so at the risk of things not working and should not assume that the community will read it for them. The handbook also says that those running current should read both the current and cvs-src mail lists. OTOH, I will agree that the note is question could probably be better worded, but just getting annoyed and stating a shouting match does not help anyone. (This means both des and Marcin.) (I will admit that I have missed items in UPDATING and made embarrassing queries to the list. But I have never suggested that it was other than my fault that I missed them.) Followups to advocacy@. -- R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer Energy Sciences Network (ESnet) Ernest O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley Lab) E-mail: oberman@es.net Phone: +1 510 486-8634