From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Aug 15 12:06:02 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83C49CF8AD for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2019 12:06:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) Received: from s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com (s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com [142.0.176.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 468QCF40Jkz3HhM for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2019 12:06:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1565870761; x=1568462761; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:message-id:subject:to:from:date:x-thread-info; bh=vK/6vY8c42wWbFYKAVe13DmXLAh5BiM9Nrv8UeJUFcg=; b=pmEcmQ6al1cNM8ZxchRs75RieVGKCISt9e4g4AWNA508i/FWLwBDoDtCp9cT2NI6FhsHUtv7JHA1eJGEhOPDg8v2LGTX8GUT2n4PmWqKmKvFZojRyBemsRKSJILFp5GfSzmcYiQP7CClnvRrU6RPbkq7+5nZCFQXpFXc+YIgBIc= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC4xMi4xYjkwMDAwMDAxYTE4NzIuZnJlZWJzZC1xdWVzdGlvbnM9ZnJlZWJzZC5vcmc= Received: from r3.us-west-2a.aws.in.socketlabs.com (r3.us-west-2a.aws.in.socketlabs.com [54.187.94.11]) by mxsg2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Thu, 15 Aug 2019 08:05:53 -0400 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [185.202.17.215]) by r3.us-west-2a.aws.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Thu, 15 Aug 2019 08:05:52 -0400 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.91 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1hyEVp-000KGr-V8 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 15 Aug 2019 13:05:49 +0100 Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2019 13:05:49 +0100 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Firefox or what? Message-Id: <20190815130549.a8dd5cbda66719d356fdf88f@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: <20190815123705.4ac8a2d8c005971b83a5dceb@gc-24.de> References: <20190812173754.9bbd34f75885d616ae5d074a@gc-24.de> <20190812164800.1bc5581b40de9436a977ea02@sohara.org> <875zn22mmc.fsf@toy.adminart.net> <871rxorh4y.fsf@toy.adminart.net> <5be8adb1-cf57-9e24-4ce9-27a76cc3ece8@netfence.it> <20190815123705.4ac8a2d8c005971b83a5dceb@gc-24.de> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd12.0) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 468QCF40Jkz3HhM X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=email-od.com header.s=dkim header.b=pmEcmQ6a; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com designates 142.0.176.198 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.98 / 15.00]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:142.0.176.0/20]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[email-od.com:+]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.82)[-0.817,0]; FORGED_SENDER(0.00)[steve@sohara.org,4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7381, ipnet:142.0.176.0/22, country:US]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[steve@sohara.org,4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.98)[-0.985,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[email-od.com:s=dkim]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.99)[-0.988,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[sohara.org]; FORGED_SENDER_VERP_SRS(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; IP_SCORE(-0.19)[ip: (-0.50), ipnet: 142.0.176.0/22(-0.22), asn: 7381(-0.16), country: US(-0.05)]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[198.176.0.142.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.15.0]; ENVFROM_VERP(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2019 12:06:02 -0000 On Thu, 15 Aug 2019 12:37:05 +0200 hw wrote: > Then why doesn't the documentation warn about this? I was trying to > find out what the recommended stable version is, and that seems to be > 12 release. Why call it release when it's still beta? It is a release, the first release in a major version that has been through all the normal release engineering process with particular care applied to new features and major rewrites as you would expect from any well run release engineering team. Many people prefer to avoid the first release in a major version of *anything* because new features and major rewrites often have unexpected side effects and bugs that don't come to light until after release. FreeBSD historically (I've been using it since 1.1.5) has been pretty good at .0 release (kudos to the release engineering teams - and let us draw a kindly veil over 5.0[1]) but nobody is perfect and expecting the worst of .0 releases is sensible caution. [1] There were good reasons this was a painful disaster. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith