Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 00:54:49 +0400 From: Arseny Nasokin <eirnym@gmail.com> To: Garrett Cooper <yanefbsd@gmail.com> Cc: Alexey Shuvaev <shuvaev@physik.uni-wuerzburg.de>, "freebsd-ports@freebsd.org" <freebsd-ports@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Old ports bugs analyzis Message-ID: <57C3B32A-21E5-4D66-8311-800F62B54C6C@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <7d6fde3d1003301349t32a98a49uc223a710a1f2ede4@mail.gmail.com> References: <ac29a5e51003291405x428cea9el889f802fa2312fb0@mail.gmail.com> <20100330191416.GB98488@wep4035.physik.uni-wuerzburg.de> <2F334A43-634E-4AAC-A144-54200FEE7003@gmail.com> <7d6fde3d1003301349t32a98a49uc223a710a1f2ede4@mail.gmail.com>
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On 31 Mar 2010, at 00:49, Garrett Cooper <yanefbsd@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 1:25 PM, Arseny Nasokin <eirnym@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>>
>> --
>> With pleasure
>>
>> On 30 Mar 2010, at 23:14, Alexey Shuvaev <shuvaev@physik.uni-wuerzburg.de
>> >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 01:05:39AM +0400, Eir Nym wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I work on creating system for system and ports autobuilder with
>>>> custom
>>>> settings for my FreeBSD machines. I know about many programs,
>>>> which do
>>>> same, but I don't like strange depends, which are not controlled by
>>>> OPTIONS and some another
>>>>
>>>> I've analyse ports tree and want to say about.
>>>> There're lot problems with ports to create per-port PRs
>>>> manually.Common types of problems are listed here:
>>>>
>>>> 0) Main part of problems in tons of ports, which has hidden options
>>>> (WITH & WITHOUT checking), but not using OPTIONS for them.
>>>> 1) There many libraries added with BUILD&RUN dependencies, not as
>>>> LIB-DEPENDS.
>>>> 2) Some ports has only BUILD depends to libraries, but links them
>>>> dynamicly.
>>>> 3) All(?) samba33 slaves define dependency as "samba33", and make
>>>> warning me about master target redefinition when do something on
>>>> them.
>>>> 4) many ports define dependencies as
>>>> "${.CURDIR}/../../<category>/<dep-port-name>"
>>>> 5) And some adds trailing slash.
>>>>
>>>> I want fix these problems, but I have no much time to fix several
>>>> thousands of ports. This work (include PR sending) needs about is
>>>> 1-2
>>>> month per 8-10 hours a day.
>>>>
>>> If the problems are so common, maybe there are not so many problems
>>> at all? :)
>>
>> Yes, it's features! Let's all bugs will be features! Do you
>> remember The Bat
>> mail client, which doesn't want support standarts at all?
>>
>> Cases 0, 2, 3 and 4 are bugs.
>> 0: I want to control options via OPTIONS, not by knowledge about
>> Makefile
>> syntax with much time.
>> 2: build port, install, remove lib and get this port unusable.
>> 3: where program should find package orign "samba33"?
>> 4: when reading Makefile, it hard to explain where port is. And
>> when ports
>> tree has changed place in system, it's not good idea to rebuild
>> index.
>>
>> 2, 5 are questions at most.
>> 2: libraries should be LIB_DEPENDS
>
> Caveat: static libraries are build dependencies; dynamic libraries are
> lib dependencies. We had a discussion about this on #bsdports
> yesterday and it was a well understood fact that was being proposed
> for a move forward in terms of installing binary packages.
>
Port building ability will be avaliable? Now ports tree has bugs, but
I can turn on/of custom build options. I use most of ports with custom
settings.
>>>> I put my analysys in several work files:
>>>> I've removed ${PORTSDIR} from paths for readability in index files.
>>>>
>>>> http://freebsd.eroese.org/bsd.local.mk - different describe target
>>>> (clean and simple)
>>>> http://freebsd.eroese.org/portInfo.py - py-IDX maker. old, but
>>>> enough
>>>> version.
>>>>
>>>> http://freebsd.eroese.org/tag - portsnap(8) tag
>>>> http://freebsd.eroese.org/IDX - special maked IDX
>>>> http://freebsd.eroese.org/py-IDX - human readable format of IDX,
>>>> see
>>>> py program for comments about types.
>>>>
>>> I have tried to understand what is in these files but have not
>>> managed
>>> it completely.
>>>
>>> The file py-IDX lists 2 of my ports, devel/slglade and
>>> x11-toolkits/gtkdatabox as being fixed:
>>> fix devel/slglade
>>> fix x11-toolkits/gtkdatabox
>>>
>>> Could you elaborate more what was 'fixed' in these 2 examples?
>>>
>> Thanks,
>> I've striped out debug output from top.
>>
>> I've updated files py-IDX and python program.
>>
>> And also put some documentation in file http://freebsd.eroese.org/
>> docs
>
> Cheers,
> -Garrett
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