From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 19:14:52 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2A9116A4CE; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 19:14:51 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rambo.401.cx (rambo.401.cx [80.65.205.166]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8C1543D39; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 19:14:50 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from listsub@401.cx) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (rocky [192.168.200.2]) by rambo.401.cx (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1CJEl2U037202; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:14:47 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from listsub@401.cx) Message-ID: <420E5604.9040401@401.cx> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:16:20 +0100 From: "Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ted Mittelstaedt References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0506-1, 2005-02-11), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org cc: Chris Zumbrunn Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 19:14:52 -0000 Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >>[mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Roger 'Rocky' >>Vetterberg >>Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 9:26 AM >>To: Chris Zumbrunn >>Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >>Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... >> >> >>However, >>everytime I've tried to suggest even the slightest change to >>freebsd.org, people has started to kick and scream and preach about >>the end of the OS as we know it. > > > I have never kicked and screamed about changes to the website layout > or such, as long as we don't get rid of the recognizable logos on it. As far as Im concerned, there are no logos on the website. There is a mascot, but no logo. This, it seems, is a matter of opinion. > What I and others have always said when someone like you comes along > is that you should go for it. Put up a prototype website, it's a > free country. Let us look at it. If it's better then the doc people > will welcome your efforts on it. 'Better' would be a matter of opinion. It would also depend on how you define a good website. For technical people looking for documentation, the current website is very good. For marketing purposes, it sucks. Eventough it is possible to combine the two, I advocate the separated .org/.com solution, simply because the target audiences have very different needs. You, clearly belonging in the technical category, refuses to complement Beastie with a more proffesional logo, something I think is necessary to satisfy the second category. Hence, a separate site for marketing people seems to be a necessity. > Generally when we say this people like you complaining > about the website disappear when they realize they are going to > have to put their labor where their mouths are. If someone points out that something needs improvements, but they are unable to improve it themselves, does this mean that the need for improvement does not exist? Im not a website designer nor a marketing droid, but Im still able to see that FreeBSD could need improvement in these areas. If I could contribute, I would, but I fear that anything I could design would not even beat what we have today. This does not mean that the current website is unbeatable, it just means that I suck at webdesigning. If I could contribute in other ways, I would. Im more then willing to contribute financially and technically, its just that money and technical skills alone will not make a website. > So bye bye. > > Ted Bye. -- R