From owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org Sat May 18 19:27:53 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F0211595E20 for ; Sat, 18 May 2019 19:27:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-it1-x12c.google.com (mail-it1-x12c.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::12c]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7FCFE8DAB2 for ; Sat, 18 May 2019 19:27:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: by mail-it1-x12c.google.com with SMTP id m3so13320250itl.1 for ; Sat, 18 May 2019 12:27:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=P+MxPt9Vsx0UMYbNgm9qO1ZcEopDKihQaCbBUuxp6aI=; b=awi15RRxXkOxPq8U8D54916N9wRq5cNYeH1OJOhP57AUFuaNanp+YBhLSn1ZegqxTx DVmzmXays49vD6BTlt+KtpxhGY2O23Od8HFRoVLDfBwpMefXLIAnJ9/HE37Jgbrd14v9 y/Ja7J1dST68NUZjYvGJd7kY1GUKSAHGSIn5swWswY1GYaABi80/ewsjo6+Hz7Gga+Ao 3yK7HspBDyVZk26AslmDU1w+pHXOZRK3vnK9VshyHruGzctEFJjdthVa7/FU9MvNrXGc hC/xy9TFUo2y9nhNXZNAAljQwScqwfUUTzOpU2gxsualb1r6DWernLGpx55mZ8VmUgIB lNkQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=P+MxPt9Vsx0UMYbNgm9qO1ZcEopDKihQaCbBUuxp6aI=; b=iN8htiUuQPwkYCupwmmLBKSOjciAsFn6quLFT009rdogLMoPehu4Y56j2KWoPBvtQe i8vIYbAKN3pHErRmyApQ6kfT8zS4sld8q2Awl65cRvToQ7WXhUm+WKfbveJZcDz9HAOE 3qq3gYES3pKBrKehn/OYdRwCGlOltb/RhzNnc21PrQ1hYxGd4JOQ8fWMC3ht8tiz7Wbf TzJ467RMfKDrsf7aGJc+H0Mel8qbHeHJv0zAEZ9hodjWP4ABy3niX6K1hRjzlY3ws2JH STGJsSEkSZdsej1Dh0xunpHShr2BAr0Cgx+HTmM6daCInOkYFfipFH0v3l5bvKRNITnq TQ6A== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAVGnBuxERkcn0cN/PSIGG1dw6VQpnPTfTBpZ9298ew0IzW2sZDP HxqAE+WDjGF1O8zmMijIT0gm1DiMPzbKu+LfnJEV+A== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqy/rpGuth5PieK96ll2IpXyvHBYTlysQMYeI9PTH+/u2l9B6AoIgnPApiMg6eeZKbLijY8ffa1Qw2UJza/siig= X-Received: by 2002:a05:660c:acb:: with SMTP id k11mr7389714itl.1.1558207671635; Sat, 18 May 2019 12:27:51 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <868svf6r05.fsf@phe.ftfl.ca> In-Reply-To: From: Adam Date: Sat, 18 May 2019 14:27:40 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: FreeBSD Core Team Response to Controversial Social Media Posts To: Igor Mozolevsky Cc: v@researchbsd.org, freebsd-current X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 7FCFE8DAB2 X-Spamd-Bar: ------ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=awi15RRx; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of amvandemore@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::12c as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=amvandemore@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.95 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-current@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[c.2.1.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: alt3.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.96)[-0.959,0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; IP_SCORE(-2.98)[ip: (-9.30), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-3.27), asn: 15169(-2.27), country: US(-0.06)]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 May 2019 19:27:53 -0000 On Sat, May 18, 2019 at 4:12 AM Igor Mozolevsky wrote: > This is a typical example of reframing a problem in one side's > favourable terms. Freedom of expression is a fundamental freedom as > recognised by the United Nations, and is guaranteed by the highest > courts of any civilised society. Attacking one's freedom of expression > under whatever auspices makes one an EXCEPTIONALLY terrible person > that should go and re-thing their life purpose! End of discussion. > I'd go a bit further and say its also every individuals right to be exposed to such things, and make judgements for themselves. The voices who are the most different deserve the most protection. Without these, any "freedom of speech" is illusion. One wonders where these advocates of censorship will turn when the tool they helped create is eventually turned back on them. -- Adam