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Date:      Wed, 13 Sep 2006 12:56:37 +0200 (CEST)
From:      Oliver Fromme <olli@lurza.secnetix.de>
To:        freebsd-stable@voidcaptain.com (Pete Slagle)
Cc:        freebsd-stable@Freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: optimization levels for 6-STABLE build{kernel,world}
Message-ID:  <200609131056.k8DAubr9069760@lurza.secnetix.de>
In-Reply-To: <4507D897.4030502@voidcaptain.com>

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Pete Slagle wrote:
 > Oliver Fromme wrote:
 > > Marc G. Fournier wrote:
 > > > What are ppl currently using for CFLAGS/COPTFLAGS in /etc/make.conf for 
 > > > building kernel/world?  I know awhile back it wasn't recommended to go 
 > > > above -O2, for instance, but suspect that has changed ... ?
 > > 
 > > The best optimization is probably to not override the
 > > defaults at all, because they're already pretty optimal.
 > > In fact, by overriding the defaults there's a good chance
 > > to make things worse.  :-)
 > > 
 > > The default CFLAGS are "-O2 -pipe -fno-strict-aliasing".
 > > Anything above -O2 isn't supported, and using -O2 without
 > > -fno-strict-aliasing also isn't supported (and will create
 > > broken code for some programs).  A common mistake is to
 > > specify CFLAGS="-O2 -pipe" and omit -fno-strict-aliasing.
 > > That'll shot you in the foot sooner or later.
 > 
 > /etc/make.conf on most of my 6.1 machines contains (in part) this:
 > 
 >    CFLAGS=    -O2 -pipe -fno-strict-aliasing

Which is exactly the default, so there's no reason to
specify it at all.

If, at some point in the future, the default changes
(e.g. -O3 is considered "good and safe", or any other
-fno-xxx option becomes necessary with -O2), then you
won't benefit from it, because you override it.

 >    COPTFLAGS= -O2 -pipe

As Ruslan explained, -fno-strict-aliasing will be added
automatically in the case of COPTFLAGS if necessary.

So my recommendation is still:  Don't override CFLAGS
or COPTFLAGS.  Chances are that you make things worse,
now or at some point in the future.

 > Just to be completely clear, are you saying that this
 > 
 >    CFLAGS=    -O2 -pipe -fno-strict-aliasing
 >    COPTFLAGS= -O2 -pipe -fno-strict-aliasing
 > 
 > would be better in the general case?

In the general case, it would be better to remove those
two lines completely.  :-)

Best regards
   Oliver

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Oliver Fromme,  secnetix GmbH & Co. KG, Marktplatz 29, 85567 Grafing
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gives "42 monkeys1 snake", when the answer is clearly "41 monkeys
and 1 fat snake".        -- Jim Fulton



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