From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Apr 18 15:54:01 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA09923 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 18 Apr 1997 15:54:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Fe3.rust.net (Fe3.rust.net [204.157.12.254]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA09916 for ; Fri, 18 Apr 1997 15:53:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from danlaw1 (liv-61.rust.net [206.42.195.161]) by Fe3.rust.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA04453; Fri, 18 Apr 1997 18:53:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3357FB46.7E51@rust.net> Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 18:52:54 -0400 From: Sysadmin Reply-To: danlaw@rust.net Organization: Danlaw, Incorporated X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Robin Melville CC: "Graydon Hoare ()" , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: News... References: <1.5.4.32.19970418141941.006dbfd8@wrcmail> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Robin Melville wrote: > > Dropping news once it has arrived seems to me to beg the question. If you > check the proportion of news that you stash that is actually accessed by > users it turns out to be a small proportion of the total (unless you're a > ISP). > > The rest has occupied great hunks of bandwidth to arrive at your system, and > everybody else's, and is then thrown away at the end of the expiry cycle. > Since news is now such a grotesquely inefficient bandwidth gobbler, it's > surely time to reevaluate the whole system. > > I suppose two possibilities come to mind... 1) I like the idea of the > Pagesat satellite news feed system in that it is effectively multicast and > removes the multiple transmission of the same stuff around the Net; 2) a > smaller number of passive news repositories responding to local ISP cacheing > news server requests -- only the news that's required gets d/l. > > Just my two-pennyworth :) That would be Planet Connect, now. Pagesat is evidently defunct. Lesee, for US customers $1090+$33/month (1 yr contract). For Europe $988 and you supply the satellite dish and LNB yourself, plus $50/month (VAT & such, perhaps?) For 128K feed of Usenet only, H/W expandable to 256K. According to their website.