From owner-freebsd-security Wed Jul 30 05:09:57 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA26858 for security-outgoing; Wed, 30 Jul 1997 05:09:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from logic.it (mod16.logic.it [195.120.151.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id FAA26851 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 1997 05:09:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 534 invoked by uid 1000); 30 Jul 1997 12:04:33 -0000 Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 14:04:33 +0200 (MET DST) From: Marco Molteni X-Sender: molter@dumbwinter.ecomotor.it To: Vincent Poy cc: security@FreeBSD.ORG, "\[Mario1-\]" Subject: Re: security hole in FreeBSD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Ok guys, my 2 cents opinion ;-) There's a thing really I can't understand in all this thread. Nobody said: "Vince, we're sorry about what happened to you. Probably you did something stupid, but _everybody_ has to learn his lesson the hard way. Here you are a a checklist of books, programs and ideas to follow to improve the security of your site." No, everybody started to flame at him! Why? Because he choosed as his subject line: "security hole in FreeBSD" instead of "I'm a sucker please you security wizards help me" ? Do you think one can be a newcomer as an administrator, but _has_ to know everything about security before he starts to work? Come on! Now a note about myself. I'm not a security expert, but security is surely a field I like much. I'm subscribed to this list to learn. In the previous examples I'm not suggesting that Vince is a sucker or similar, I'm just replying to some arguments appeared in the postings. Marco Molteni Computer Science student at the Universita' di Milano, Italy. "The time has come", the Walrus said, "to talk of many things".