From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 3 14:19:07 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1F0EFC67 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2014 14:19:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from hades.sorbs.net (hades.sorbs.net [67.231.146.201]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF0B61F05 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2014 14:19:06 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Received: from isux.com (firewall.isux.com [213.165.190.213]) by hades.sorbs.net (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7.0.5.29.0 64bit (built Jul 9 2013)) with ESMTPSA id <0NBB0041NXA7EV00@hades.sorbs.net> for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Wed, 03 Sep 2014 07:22:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-id: <54072357.40101@sorbs.net> Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2014 16:19:03 +0200 From: Michelle Sullivan User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X; en-US; rv:1.8.1.24) Gecko/20100301 SeaMonkey/1.1.19 To: Brandon Allbery Subject: Re: [HEADSUP] pkg(8) is now the only package management tool References: <20140901195520.GB77917@ivaldir.etoilebsd.net> <54050D07.4010404@sorbs.net> <540522A3.9050506@sorbs.net> <54052891.5000104@my.hennepintech.edu> <54052DFA.4030808@freebsd.org> <54053372.6020009@my.hennepintech.edu> <5405890F.8080804@freebsd.org> <20140902125256.Horde.uv31ztwymThxUZ-OYPQoBw1@webmail.df.eu> <5405AE54.60809@sorbs.net> <1D2B4A91-E76C-43A0-BE75-D926357EF1AF@gmail.com> <5405E4F5.4090902@sorbs.net> <5406BD65.705@digsys.bg> <5406ED34.7090301@sorbs.net> <5406F00C.6090504@digsys.bg> <358B9E99-5E02-47BA-9E30-045986150966@gromit.dlib.vt.edu> <540711FF.3050409@sorbs.net> <47F4AAAA-2D88-4F03-8602-880C4B129305@gromit.dlib.vt.edu> <54072011.7030800@sorbs.net> In-reply-to: Cc: freebsd-stable , Daniel Kalchev X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2014 14:19:07 -0000 Brandon Allbery wrote: > On Wed, Sep 3, 2014 at 10:05 AM, Michelle Sullivan > wrote: > > >> I think portsnap should provide 'stable' - tested, known >> working, security patched >> >> > > But the ports tree does not provide this and never has. Yes and with the exception of 6.x->7.x no one has come alone and made such a massive change that has deliberately broken build systems for production servers without good reason without any alternative whilst people migrate (and lets not start the 'well you had 2 years' thing again - I had less than 2 months notice that the EOL message was put there so that the packaging system (and therefore the ports tree) was going to be deliberately, irrevocably and irreversibly broken - and the person responsible was quite happy about it. ) > You want a > package-based distribution. > > I built my own because the defaults don't work for me. Now I don't have anything... and if I had been using packages the same person behind this change would have completely screwed all my production servers on the patching for (amongst other things) heartbleed when they decided to change the default for apache 2.2 to apache 2.4 without having mod_perl24 available first. -- Michelle Sullivan http://www.mhix.org/