From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Aug 6 01:09:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA21927 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 01:09:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gwdu60.gwdg.de (gwdu60.gwdg.de [134.76.10.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA21908 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 01:09:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kheuer@gwdu60.gwdg.de) Received: from localhost (kheuer@localhost) by gwdu60.gwdg.de (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id KAA06021; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 10:09:25 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 10:09:25 +0200 (CEST) From: Konrad Heuer To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Extended / Replaced Utilities In-Reply-To: <28490.902340503@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 5 Aug 1998, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > Now I observe that for example 2.2.6-RELEASE comes with a drastically (to > > my mind) changed ftp client. I read in the release notes the 2.2.7-RELEASE > > has an ls command with many new options. Excuse me - but now I seem to be > > irritated. Where does FreeBSD go? Will it leave the traditional BSD line > > which seems to be strong argument for using FreeBSD? > > No. I think you're over-reacting to a few cosmetic changes. Many > people LIKE the new changes to FTP. Many people have requested a > *new* flag for ls (which nobody is forced to use) which would allow > filenames with weird characters in them to be displayed properly. > > Don't mistake "traditionalism" for "stagnation" since the latter > is what you appear to be arguing for. Your mail represents most replies in the most concise way so I will only reply to your's - I don't want to flood the list with replies. Ok, my first mail was a little bit provoking. I don't want stagnation. I don't want to blame Linux in a non-objective way. But as far as I know Berkeley's CSRG always was careful and not including all the numberless possible options and utility improvements one can imagine. Who should read the resulting infinite and confusing man pages? I hope the FreeBSD team will keep that tradition and I'm optimistic. Konrad Heuer // Gesellschaft fuer wissenschaftliche Datenverarbeitung mbH // Goettingen (GWDG), Am Fassberg, D-37077 Goettingen, Germany // // kheuer@gwdu60.gwdg.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message