From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Aug 2 06:35:41 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id GAA07457 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 06:35:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from walkabout.asstdc.com.au (root@walkabout.asstdc.com.au [202.12.127.73]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA07450 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 06:35:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from imb@localhost) by walkabout.asstdc.com.au (8.7.5/BSD4.4) id XAA09607 Fri, 2 Aug 1996 23:34:49 +1000 (EST) From: michael butler Message-Id: <199608021334.XAA09607@walkabout.asstdc.com.au> Subject: Re: Migrating BSDI 1.1 Passwords To: dev@fgate.flevel.co.uk (Developer) Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 23:34:49 +1000 (EST) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from Developer at "Aug 2, 96 09:33:41 am" X-Comment: Phone 0419-240-180, International +61-419-240-180 X-Comment: finger imb@asstdc.com.au for PGP public key X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Okay, so you ban all UK sites from suping the crypto source, but it > becomes pretty pointless - you would have to remove it from the ftp sites > as well or hack the ftp daemon. It most certainly is *not* pointless - _responsible_ people abide by the law as far as they are able. > The all UK users have to do is get someone in the us to email it to them, > or use a US account and then transfer it from there to the UK. And in so doing, you may be _responsible_ (there's that word again) for the removal of someone's liberty. Export of cryptographic software from the US is a punishable offence. I don't wish to argue the politics of this since I think we all agree that the legislation it falls under is _way_ out of date, however, it _is_ the law and _is_ enforceable. Until that changes (and we all hope that it's sooner rather than later), please protect other peoples' freedom by respecting the laws under which they must live. > Still, you are not gaining anything - the crypto sources will appear on > non us sites, which means they have been exported somehow. If you cared to read the copyrights and headers in the non-US versions, they were written _outside_ the US .. some of it in Australia, other parts in Europe and South Africa. > Is there not a decent sup site for freebsd in the UK? If there isn't one in the UK, hit one in Europe or clone your own from .za but do *not* sup the "secure" packages from any site in the US or Canada. Oh .. as a side note .. mere _possession_ of strong cryptographic software in France without government approval is presently a punishable offense .. good for a gaol term, I'm told. It matters and you should care .. michael