From nobody Sat Mar 26 20:50:55 2022 X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A81EC1A43B62 for ; Sat, 26 Mar 2022 20:51:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [147.160.157.40]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "A1-48603", Issuer "A1-48603" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4KQrhj5vTQz3hq1 for ; Sat, 26 Mar 2022 20:51:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) Received: from fledge.watson.org (doug@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fledge.watson.org (8.16.1/8.16.1) with ESMTPS id 22QKotxJ059741 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 26 Mar 2022 20:50:55 GMT (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) Received: from localhost (doug@localhost) by fledge.watson.org (8.16.1/8.16.1/Submit) with ESMTP id 22QKotcM059737 for ; Sat, 26 Mar 2022 20:50:55 GMT (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) X-Authentication-Warning: fledge.watson.org: doug owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2022 20:50:55 +0000 (UTC) From: doug Reply-To: doug@safeport.com To: Freebsd Questions Subject: Using a FreeBSD desktop was somehting about dog food Message-ID: <38b7f44-6d54-fec6-c1f0-d3609d301687@safeport.com> List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4KQrhj5vTQz3hq1 X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=fail (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of doug@safeport.com does not designate 147.160.157.40 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=doug@safeport.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.98 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[doug@safeport.com]; R_SPF_FAIL(1.00)[-all]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; HAS_XAW(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.95)[0.951]; REPLYTO_ADDR_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[safeport.com]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.13)[0.132]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6405, ipnet:147.160.157.0/24, country:US]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N I have long believed that the project would benefit from having one core team member who uses FreeBSD as a Desktop. I have often stated my reasons and see no need to repeat them. I am forced to use Windows to answer user questions and use iPads for the things FreeBSD does not do well: zoom, webex, playing [some] videos. Most of my cohorts use Mac. Getting a new Desktop or laptop is tricker than (I think) it needs to be (one of my core team problems) but if you get by that my desktops (usually really old Dells for price) function much better than the last couple of Mac releases. Boots faster, updates easier (yea pkg guys), and has in my opinion better response than Mac. For what we do, web design, hosting, email dealing with server and network issues I think is much easier than on the Mac and that is relatively impossible on iPads. I also like the idea that you get to choose your windowing system. I would probably rather use anything other than KDE, but there is a large group that like it. That's more than cool to me. As was pointed out while we were feeding the dogs, developing X11 and desktops is better left to those who are expert in it and obviously have a passion for that work. FreeBSD IMO works better than fine as the engine those things run on Relative to the user base as a whole there seems to be a sizeable percentage of FreeBSD desktop users. What is problematic is suspend/resume, sound, worked fine in 9-10, not so much in 11-12 (for me obviously). The biggie is however trying to log into motel wifi. The last problem area is video cards. Users who want to come into the Unix world have an easier path with Ubuntu. I think the FreeBSD project would be well served if we were slightly more competive in that area My 2 cents YMMV