From nobody Mon Aug 5 22:29:06 2024 X-Original-To: freebsd-hackers@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4WdB241fqmz5Sq6Y for ; Mon, 05 Aug 2024 22:29:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from junchoon@dec.sakura.ne.jp) Received: from www121.sakura.ne.jp (www121.sakura.ne.jp [153.125.133.21]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4WdB233dvLz4BG5 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2024 22:29:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from junchoon@dec.sakura.ne.jp) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from kalamity.joker.local (123-1-21-232.area1b.commufa.jp [123.1.21.232]) (authenticated bits=0) by www121.sakura.ne.jp (8.17.1/8.17.1/[SAKURA-WEB]/20201212) with ESMTPA id 475MT7he011540; Tue, 6 Aug 2024 07:29:08 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from junchoon@dec.sakura.ne.jp) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=dec.sakura.ne.jp; s=s2405; t=1722896954; bh=wTZhXI2UOqsJDJ9LjB+2PWr5DLDHIMwD5XXRcjeITHQ=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References; b=kV1w8wZFNoZAhREZShxkVGZRk+RA29ub4pRwXL7zteb8DK4AVQSgCfkOGlsZlgII5 ennA/Rh1R7kNEPf9sj5/7WkXxMQ8ghCd15wGVXj706C8kuNdbb/0hA3DF+L9JQIgz7 iimXnD7SLEfoWn2wnyQGYVwctUY+ZfjmbyWWHIc8= Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2024 07:29:06 +0900 From: Tomoaki AOKI To: Warner Losh Cc: Poul-Henning Kamp , Steffen Nurpmeso , Cy Schubert , freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, Bakul Shah Subject: Re: The Case for Rust (in the base system) Message-Id: <20240806072906.bc206fa9b77ffc949317bd19@dec.sakura.ne.jp> In-Reply-To: References: <704D020F-78A4-4926-AE3C-41F7FD619A89@cschubert.com> <20240805210149.nrkHN3j3@steffen%sdaoden.eu> <202408052127.475LROnE067608@critter.freebsd.dk> Organization: Junchoon corps X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.33; amd64-portbld-freebsd14.1) List-Id: Technical discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-hackers List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7684, ipnet:153.125.128.0/18, country:JP] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4WdB233dvLz4BG5 On Mon, 5 Aug 2024 15:32:17 -0600 Warner Losh wrote: > On Mon, Aug 5, 2024 at 3:27 PM Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > > > -------- > > Steffen Nurpmeso writes: > > > Cy Schubert wrote in > > > <704D020F-78A4-4926-AE3C-41F7FD619A89@cschubert.com>: > > > |On July 31, 2024 10:49:52 AM PDT, Bakul Shah > > wrote: > > > |>All this talk won't lead to anything much so a suggestion to > > > .. > > > |Sorry for being late to the party. Last day of vacation; picking up \ > > > |phone reading this thread. > > > | > > > |Like much in this business (been doing this stuff for about 50 years \ > > > |now) there is a cohort unwilling to roll up their sleeves and put some > > \ > > > |skin in the game, expecting others already with long todo lists to \ > > > > > > Most user space tools could be written in lua. > > > > That /exact/ same argument was made for Perl :-) > > > > Lua's been in the base since I imported it for the boot loader, though... > > Warner And Forth was introduced for loader prior to lua and still not deleted. :-) I think it would be removed sometime in the future once no one complains about loader.lua. -- Tomoaki AOKI