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Date:      Mon, 14 Apr 1997 18:42:46 -0700
From:      "Jordan K. Hubbard" <jkh@time.cdrom.com>
To:        Terry Lambert <terry@lambert.org>
Cc:        jbryant@tfs.net, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: question about X.25 drivers 
Message-ID:  <7532.861068566@time.cdrom.com>
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 14 Apr 1997 17:11:17 PDT." <199704150011.RAA19967@phaeton.artisoft.com> 

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> I still disagree with your definition of "practical reality", by the
> way: it's nothing more than a cop out.

Fine, have it your way.  If refusing to live in a state of permanent
denial is "copping out" then cop out I most definitely shall.

> > If nobody actively maintains X.25 then it dies, period.
> 
> Who is actively maintaining "more"?  Should it die and go away?   8-).

An excellent example.  For my side of the argument! :)

more, if it broke, would be quickly fixed (by someone, me if no one
else) because so many people use it that it would also be quickly
noted.  If X.25 broke and nobody noticed it for a year, then obviously
X.25 is in the "rarely if ever used" pile and probably need to go
away.  QED.

> > There are no Code Police to ensure that anything that anyone does
> > will not break something in the farthest-flung corners of the system
> > and there aren't likely to be anytime soon.
> 
> Well, that's a damn shame.  Commrecial organizations have them, and
> so does Linux...

You're dreaming.  I can load a copy of RedHat 4.1, a Linux
distribution with significant "organizational backing", and point to
about 4 major things that are broken (on their Linux/ALPHA
distribution, for example, you can't even build a working kernel with
supplied sources).  On SCO, for 4 full months we were unable to build
any of our sources with *either* of the XPG4 or the posix
compatibility defines set because the include files were completely
and utterly broken.  Even getting SCO to admit to this was
challenging, much less get it fixed.  If this is effective code
policing in action, give me anarchy.

You, as usual, haven't got the faintest idea of what you're talking
about.

					Jordan



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