From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 18 02:48:16 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEB7D1065798 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2012 02:48:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fullermd@over-yonder.net) Received: from thyme.infocus-llc.com (server.infocus-llc.com [206.156.254.44]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96B338FC0A for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2012 02:48:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from draco.over-yonder.net (c-174-50-4-38.hsd1.ms.comcast.net [174.50.4.38]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by thyme.infocus-llc.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0675F37B607; Tue, 17 Jan 2012 20:48:16 -0600 (CST) Received: by draco.over-yonder.net (Postfix, from userid 100) id DA9D7178BE; Tue, 17 Jan 2012 20:48:14 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 20:48:14 -0600 From: "Matthew D. Fuller" To: Igor Mozolevsky Message-ID: <20120118024814.GF509@over-yonder.net> References: <4F15C44F.1030208@freebsd.org> <1326836797.1669.234.camel@revolution.hippie.lan> <4F16019F.2060300@FreeBSD.org> <1326843399.1669.249.camel@revolution.hippie.lan> <4F160B99.1060001@FreeBSD.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Editor: vi X-OS: FreeBSD User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21-fullermd.4 (2010-09-15) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.3 at thyme.infocus-llc.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Eitan Adler , freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, Andriy Gapon , Ian Lepore Subject: Re: FreeBSD has serious problems with focus, longevity, and lifecycle X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 02:48:16 -0000 On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 01:41:53AM +0000 I heard the voice of Igor Mozolevsky, and lo! it spake thus: > > The problem, however, lies in the time between a patch is submitted > and is "picked up", if the latter ever occurs!.. That is where the > discouragement occurs. Quite. For instance, we're now well past the 3 year mark since I submitted docs/127908, which fixes 1 sentence in a manpage. So far, I can't see that anybody but me has ever looked at it. That doesn't serve to encourage me to nibble at anything substantial. (In fairness, I should note that I also maintain several ports, and so submit a steady trickle of PR's there. Almost none of them take more than a week from submission to application and closing, and it's fairly common for it to be less than 24 hours. I know the ports team carries a huge load with such things, but they're carrying it well.) -- Matthew Fuller (MF4839) | fullermd@over-yonder.net Systems/Network Administrator | http://www.over-yonder.net/~fullermd/ On the Internet, nobody can hear you scream.