From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 8 16:25:25 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39CEA1065676 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 16:25:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kensmith@cse.Buffalo.EDU) Received: from phoebe.cse.buffalo.edu (phoebe.cse.buffalo.edu [128.205.32.89]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE0588FC20 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 16:25:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kensmith@cse.Buffalo.EDU) Received: from [128.205.32.76] (bauer.cse.buffalo.edu [128.205.32.76]) (authenticated bits=0) by phoebe.cse.buffalo.edu (8.14.1/8.13.7) with ESMTP id mB8GPHDV087321 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 8 Dec 2008 11:25:18 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from kensmith@cse.buffalo.edu) From: Ken Smith To: Aristedes Maniatis In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-T13Ak8JHVDjXOAVCf97N" Organization: U. Buffalo CSE Department Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 11:25:17 -0500 Message-Id: <1228753517.56532.25.camel@bauer.cse.buffalo.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port X-DCC-Buffalo.EDU-Metrics: phoebe.cse.buffalo.edu 1336; Body=0 Fuz1=0 Fuz2=0 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED autolearn=failed version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on phoebe.cse.buffalo.edu Cc: freebsd-stable Stable Subject: Re: visibility of release process X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 16:25:25 -0000 --=-T13Ak8JHVDjXOAVCf97N Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 2008-12-08 at 20:57 +1100, Aristedes Maniatis wrote: > I've resisted sending this email for a while since I really don't want =20 > to start a bikeshed nor a flame. However there comes a time to express =20 > my thoughts over the lack of visibility of the release process for =20 > FreeBSD 7.1. Here are the resources I am aware of: [ Readers' Digest Version: Known problem. Unfortunately very slowly being worked on... ] Bottom line is my communication skills suck and of the bazillion other things I could do with my time these sorts of housekeeping chores wind up at a low enough priority they don't get done. But as you and others have made clear the priority needs to get raised and I need to deal with it. That's the part being worked on. > I'd like to make several suggestions which could improve the =20 > transparency of the release process: >=20 > 1. Short term fix: re could make a progress announcement on the =20 > appropriate lists every 14 days during the release process. Just a =20 > short summary of URLs pointing to the bug tracker. That's what I'll be working on fixing short-term. Weekly status reports here. One coming tomorrow (not coincidentally likely to include 7.1-RC1 is ready, that's why its not coming today; if you look around you can probably find it but a few misc. tidbits aren't ready yet). > 2. Some web based friendly end-user visibility on the commit process, =20 > per branch. People can see what is going in and being fixed, but not =20 > what is left outstanding. Fisheye is an option because it costs =20 > nothing except the small load on the svn server. >=20 > 3. Improvements to the bug tracker. Personally I'd love to see =20 > something like Jira used [4] with all the sophistication of workflow, =20 > release notes, voting for bugs, etc, etc. Those aren't really something I'd be likely to address any time in the near future mostly because there are other folks around who are involved in those areas. They both look like they require hooks into the guts of various systems I'm more than happy other folks are much more involved in. So comments on those likely need to come from someone else(s). --=20 Ken Smith - From there to here, from here to | kensmith@cse.buffalo.edu there, funny things are everywhere. | - Theodore Geisel | --=-T13Ak8JHVDjXOAVCf97N Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEABECAAYFAkk9SmUACgkQ/G14VSmup/ZmEQCbBMxOYN7l5W9EhcAFHmrkKoml 32sAn2WI5C6NnAKkP+U6avUtt84/YUzt =EF4W -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-T13Ak8JHVDjXOAVCf97N--