From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 2 12:02:03 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 911E037B408 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 12:02:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailhub.fokus.fraunhofer.de (mailhub.fokus.fraunhofer.de [193.174.154.14]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 457D543F93 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 12:02:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brandt@fokus.fraunhofer.de) Received: from beagle (beagle [193.175.132.100])h32K1wE16484; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 22:01:58 +0200 (MEST) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 22:01:58 +0200 (CEST) From: Harti Brandt To: Dan Naumov In-Reply-To: <20030402225427.586c463a.dan.naumov@ofw.fi> Message-ID: <20030402215654.K29076@beagle.fokus.fraunhofer.de> References: <3E8B093D.4010500@liwing.de> <20030402225427.586c463a.dan.naumov@ofw.fi> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Removing Sendmail X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 20:02:03 -0000 On Wed, 2 Apr 2003, Dan Naumov wrote: DN>On Wed, 02 Apr 2003 14:29:30 -0500 (EST) DN>John Baldwin wrote: DN> DN>> I find an odd situation here whenever this topic comes up. One the DN>> one hand, people are always wanting to split the entire base system DN>> up into small packages for each little piece of the base. On the DN>> other hand, one of FreeBSD's selling points in real-world environments DN>> is that it doesn't have a bunch of little packages for the base system DN>> like Linux distros. Do people really prefer something like having DN>> rpm's for /bin/ps to having one lump base dist for all of /bin, /sbin, DN>> etc.? DN> DN>It really depends on where you draw the line. Personally, I'd rather DN>have a very minimal base system that's kept as a "whole" with additional DN>packages avaible for those who want them. Basically if I was to decide DN>on such things, I'd throw out CVS, BIND, g77, GDB, OpenSSL, SendMail, DN>games and crypto out of base and making them avaible through ports. But DN>that's all IMHO and not very likely to happen to FreeBSD in my lifetime DN>;) I hope so. I have two fears with regard to splitting up the system: things in ports will start to rot. Developers will 'make world' and this will just compile the basic stuff. People will forget about the packages. Second, the last time I tried Linux (this was a couple of years ago) I got immediatly tired of foo-X.Y needs libbar-A.B bar-Z.T needs libbar-C.D and unfortunately you cannot have libbar-A.B and libbar-C.D together. Splitting up without dependencies between the packages is likely to be very hard if not impossible. harti -- harti brandt, http://www.fokus.fraunhofer.de/research/cc/cats/employees/hartmut.brandt/private brandt@fokus.fraunhofer.de, harti@freebsd.org