From nobody Sun Mar 27 12:18:06 2022 X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48E921A45C93 for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2022 12:18:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomek@cedro.info) Received: from mail-oi1-x22f.google.com (mail-oi1-x22f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::22f]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1D4" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4KRFGn5jRlz3vJZ for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2022 12:18:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomek@cedro.info) Received: by mail-oi1-x22f.google.com with SMTP id k10so12979967oia.0 for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2022 05:18:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cedro.info; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=jCCVSBYKI0PrZMIUblo5DlFUg97Esu+ugSLNzNk2IFQ=; b=fHw/wG6OZMRaxeLRoEhI0j2FUBDk6WZgGhywJ+85VB9UE5xvlPRmvGpID49sEFkDTd B38N3korlmsYaNXbDVga4zdJnlhJAb9BUp4SCVE00+SNuDg5hxS1C4peqveCbmSks5/7 JOfTRxkGuvlOzZ3ozhD64XyIO4/khk1kdifKChbLUlmFN3Rzb5HmAjsRHKlL2sMcfI/r 6ukYbR6W+x0ODcPGL1NbSm215KdWfiPdWTzkUvQW1XgikktxIBkaR5W4SynEIdXEjoMc /7XuQddnrOxyaA0D19Rn6RCnJpV+5jMk1RBRVFVEEdB2QkNt9GoWxprC+JwoyLFaYVj3 fKIg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=jCCVSBYKI0PrZMIUblo5DlFUg97Esu+ugSLNzNk2IFQ=; b=M0wMBBNeRyoInCfUQdhrRLp3ptfEzx4Ezq5UpOTogMaSkLYuTH2zeslzRJ1U/CWVST OhzOq7D524Ez6jkO8AMqYdCspbDYOrSnCRU+1EUA1fwBi9JmdwZ5PsNSoLCzggNwdUa6 mprx+8Rh5vKOmN+IwFJ8W1JTULU1OLU26UAGmw1geudCIlPO9ZOgwQ/zYJK2P0XtxMFP nZ97cfEzqnSi4kMRk86CQoL+B4sMHVI0sO8xstGrUBL/ESEpWvNlDhmFPfiDV4ICKiEs UubDBNk+vLt/y6A79O1r3p5AcifCM1UnkOyTOEiKSP8dbndgAeQt0bwpa6JInvIgPEXw TgcQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530TKfis853ZzwQEsVgqk76eHxpK7zee3pwnsazVh2fpZMXFKFQR 6ilfYYvs9W8XiV5suDMQcdUns1FkMleLJCtL9Ec/hqkFl8I= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJz2jZN7PffEIpQNsCOquV16XWj7S6J7mxZOrItBie/YmUg8dK9hN51Nvh6si4t0SdwtWU7R3KFT/s/sZg5U57E= X-Received: by 2002:aca:34d4:0:b0:2ef:b62:645 with SMTP id b203-20020aca34d4000000b002ef0b620645mr9125384oia.34.1648383499647; Sun, 27 Mar 2022 05:18:19 -0700 (PDT) List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <38b7f44-6d54-fec6-c1f0-d3609d301687@safeport.com> <20220327081341.ef6a08004fb6986edf1b941e@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: From: Tomasz CEDRO Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2022 14:18:06 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Using a FreeBSD desktop was somehting about dog food To: Mehmet Erol Sanliturk Cc: "Steve O'Hara-Smith" , Doug Denault , Freebsd Questions Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000f34fca05db323045" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4KRFGn5jRlz3vJZ X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=cedro.info header.s=google header.b="fHw/wG6O"; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of tomek@cedro.info has no SPF policy when checking 2607:f8b0:4864:20::22f) smtp.mailfrom=tomek@cedro.info X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.75 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[cedro.info:s=google]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.95)[-0.945]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[cedro.info]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[cedro.info:+]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::22f:from]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; SUSPICIOUS_RECIPS(1.50)[] X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N --000000000000f34fca05db323045 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Sun, Mar 27, 2022, 11:26 Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote: > This means that trouble is not coming from "Open Source" but from > "Management of Use of Open Source " . > > > Over the years , without relentlessly I am mentioning this difficulty > point . > It seems that there is no hope to reach a solution to this problem . > I do not know why . > The root cause of this are ideologies. "change is good". "the only constant is change". "software development is about enforcing vision". This is mostly thanks to Microsoft. Fancy Linux "bleeding edge" followed. Then big tech like Google with Android and Smartphones did the same what Microsoft did with Windows and PC. Then Samsung followed. Then Apple followed. Now it's considered standard. Building something without solid fundaments plus constant change of the fundaments. Look at JavaScript and try to do anything with that mess, something fundamentally flawed but extremely available and popular, not to mention malware showing up more and more recently in various dependencies that are totally out of control. This mess impacts BSD world but it is not welcome here and I hope it never will. This is why I love BSD. More and more people can see that too :-) -- CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info > --000000000000f34fca05db323045 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On S= un, Mar 27, 2022, 11:26 Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote:
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This means that=C2=A0 tro= uble is not coming from "Open Source" but from=C2=A0
"Management of Use of Open Source "=C2=A0 .


Over the years , without relentlessly I am mentioning thi= s difficulty point .
It seems that there is no = hope to reach=C2=A0=C2=A0 a solution to this problem .
I do not know why .

The root cause of this are ideologies= . "change is good". "the only constant is change". &quo= t;software development is about enforcing vision". This is mostly than= ks to Microsoft. Fancy Linux "bleeding edge" followed. Then big t= ech like Google with Android and Smartphones did the same what Microsoft di= d with Windows and PC. Then Samsung followed. Then Apple followed. Now it&#= 39;s considered standard. Building something without solid fundaments plus = constant change of the fundaments.

Look at JavaScript and try to do anything with that mess, someth= ing fundamentally flawed but extremely available and popular, not to mentio= n malware showing up more and more recently in various dependencies that ar= e totally out of control.

This mess impacts BSD world but it is not welcome here and I hope it neve= r will. This is why I love BSD. More and more people can see that too :-)

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CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info
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