From owner-freebsd-hubs Mon May 7 15: 0:34 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (trang.nuxi.com [209.152.133.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1541337B422; Mon, 7 May 2001 15:00:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.11.3/8.11.1) id f47M06N12696; Mon, 7 May 2001 15:00:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 15:00:06 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: Will Andrews Cc: Jordan Hubbard , asami@FreeBSD.ORG, hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: We seriously need a cleanup on ftp-master Message-ID: <20010507150006.C12252@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20010507125604P.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> <20010507163119.H3246@casimir.physics.purdue.edu> <20010507144618.A12252@dragon.nuxi.com> <20010507164650.J3246@casimir.physics.purdue.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010507164650.J3246@casimir.physics.purdue.edu>; from will@physics.purdue.edu on Mon, May 07, 2001 at 04:46:50PM -0500 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, May 07, 2001 at 04:46:50PM -0500, Will Andrews wrote: > > Should we think more carefully about this? We have users that install a > > release and stick with it for a long time. But they still like to be > > able to install packages with minimal effort. Do we want to break these > > case? I guess this is one argument for having `pkg_add -r' use > > package--stable rather than package-. > > Yes, but if you move the bits to FreeBSD-archive, they can just reset > the prefix of their installs and/or use PACKAGESITE. You have a lot of faith in our users. I don't participate in questions@freebsd.org, so I do what I can to avoid having to send people there. I don't care about moving say 4.1-R packages to somewhere very hard to find as I don't have any 4.1-R hosts anymore, but I do know people that do. I brought this up with the hopes that we will stop and take a moment to thing about the ramifications. That's all. > Er.. I didn't say remove them, I said put them in FreeBSD-archive > instead. Er, no one will mirror them from FreeBSD-archive. So where will they get them from? ftp-master.freebsd.org is not for user consumption. > I simply think it's inconvenient for mirror operators to host bits that > are not obtained even one-tenth of 1% of the time as the newest > releases/packages. Not everyone has 50GB of disk space to dedicate > to FreeBSD, and I don't see a reason to expect that. :) If it is truly just a disk space issue, we should investigate if we can get subsidized disks for well-connected mirrors. Heck, 50GB is a typical personal MP3 collection. BW is really the issue, what is expensive, and what we lack. -- -- David (obrien@FreeBSD.org) Disclaimer: Not speaking for FreeBSD, just expressing my own opinion. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message