From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Apr 17 17:04:11 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44BCF2C1D08 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 2020 17:04:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from mail-io1-xd2a.google.com (mail-io1-xd2a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::d2a]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 493j9k4GZwz4J0b for ; Fri, 17 Apr 2020 17:04:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: by mail-io1-xd2a.google.com with SMTP id w1so3040153iot.7 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 2020 10:04:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=a4dB81Ko752i8mVOOzgokSzrNag85OcKMKdrF+v3/zU=; b=R9+g/Ji0GRUydI49LDNj+rWoTQkwQJO+qoQMPzeRkrrfz/jJIK+K5/XUEsnM8evzN1 oAyBIKGMB0d9wdVv50Ctz/s7FVfPeGYe42Qi3XJoFIuRuPIPyC/2pfDYiGgHRpy/XD5C Dv1NKNLbGtesIFkj31IZumt7uB61X1V/SIb3bL8/u49EGkxhEqkstVEAVBXBT6XTfARx itjQFMcMaaVQUlodVyFVhVxY0LP+Re6vKTocGdIUSrwBH5zaKWgmvaEQ/KHSiteqKBR0 D/5NzZfVcUgcGym4I8go13QC8fMDKvwvMxXoPTaxhyJZ0hlDehv8NCYiV2QOlh7/3sHk cvog== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=a4dB81Ko752i8mVOOzgokSzrNag85OcKMKdrF+v3/zU=; b=OWdEzPIWzV9BdVlv41zORLOIHG6mYVt5CdnLFVwR08UqyNwyNxf25Ftp3Ses/PKX9K OTHrJI3J/pVkMQjMGOYmqg486c5/Zw7pLeXXGm4HEHhBf7mMuxdmLN5y6ExZeBSq7PGu 2vNHKEE3LDCCU9TOSW9peYUyXcbPbpZWiJhK+NVdg/bg/MLFMJUTEjF6Sf5yBmT2NMtZ YAPFRfjy2xFNF3xdlGUgXfB6dWjd7nK/ckBP31zGPzuExvA6ilXzKdwSER1CblxrZgoj njkzyTwCj6qRp0J/1xAMhNX482Pv3VQ1IJx2Zdro1rbQDJy5lXdlulII+JZD2rr9eIoP Xxjw== X-Gm-Message-State: AGi0PubH0ewe82CAUyiLxUvAUcO1EEnpcX+VseUQ+Jd/P3OQJ872UsGU 0q/nLQYcXizSOVOFWynLwThYIyTVm0dzsCaqkOFMXM1J X-Google-Smtp-Source: APiQypKLHZdgvutT1sVtn/7wNxt74WxX2nDyqxs3KPBj4VHJRXgi6UtQwDUVvSRp719txOqG6H2OC7v4NMNY3Nl8ECA= X-Received: by 2002:a6b:fc0d:: with SMTP id r13mr3944036ioh.89.1587143049493; Fri, 17 Apr 2020 10:04:09 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <3f1496d1f598c84b3871b630f161256e152aca75.camel@tom.com> In-Reply-To: From: Aryeh Friedman Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2020 13:03:58 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: freebsd should be rewritten based on microkernel architecture To: Ottavio Caruso Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 493j9k4GZwz4J0b X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=R9+g/Ji0; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of aryehfriedman@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::d2a as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=aryehfriedman@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.00 / 15.00]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36:c]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[yahoo.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.00)[ip: (-6.63), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-0.33), asn: 15169(-0.43), country: US(-0.05)]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; IP_SCORE_FREEMAIL(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[a.2.d.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2020 17:04:11 -0000 On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 12:51 PM Ottavio Caruso via freebsd-questions < freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> wrote: > On Fri, 17 Apr 2020 at 12:02, Aryeh Friedman > wrote: > > > > Before getting into detail in the inline comments it is important to note > > there is small but very important philosophical difference in the design > of > > FreeBSD and Linux. FreeBSD follows the core concept of the Hippocratic > > Oath: "Do no harm" (aka "if it is not broken don't fix it!") and Linsucks > > follows the completely idiotic Facebook mantra of: "Iterate fast and > break > > things" (aka Only an idiot would use it in a life critical application.) > > Prepubescent fanboi language that doesn't add much to a technical topic. > Your response shows you completely misread the intent and meaning of my comments. Also insulting people is likely even less productive then me quoting some well known cliches. > Translated back into more coherent English, I pretty much like the > 1990's "release often, release early" philosophy, which FreeBSD seems > to have adopted with its recent policy of offering more frequent > releases. > I am all in favor of frequent releases as long they are not broken ones (the base system does well here the ports collection not so well). I do daily updates of my installed ports and usually do at least a test install of the first -BETA of every new version (unless it fundamentally breaks something I even switch over to it for my desktop, but wait for -RELEASE before doing it on production servers). Now that being said as I said in the message that you are replying to (and so kindly took out of context) due to my application for production servers the worst possible thing that an OS can do is something that is potentially harmful and FreeBSD is one the best behaved in this regard where is linsucks is by far the worst offender in this area. > > -- > Ottavio Caruso > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org