From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 3 23:36:31 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AED531065DA6 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 23:36:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from scottl@samsco.org) Received: from pooker.samsco.org (pooker.samsco.org [168.103.85.57]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 495728FC1E for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 23:36:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from scottl@samsco.org) Received: from phobos.local ([192.168.254.200]) (authenticated bits=0) by pooker.samsco.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m83NaGI3044506; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 17:36:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from scottl@samsco.org) Message-ID: <48BF1F70.4020509@samsco.org> Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 17:36:16 -0600 From: Scott Long User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X; en-US; rv:1.8.1.13) Gecko/20080313 SeaMonkey/1.1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dan Allen References: <35445338-D597-4FE2-996F-DEC7BE986741@airwired.net> <48BEEB55.4050406@madpilot.net> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=3.8 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.8 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.8 (2007-02-13) on pooker.samsco.org Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, Guido Falsi Subject: Re: FreeBSD 7.1 Content X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 23:36:31 -0000 Dan Allen wrote: > > On 3 Sep 2008, at 1:53 PM, Guido Falsi wrote: > >> If you just want na instant workstation, why you just don't try >> Freesbie or something like that? > > Because I want something from the source -- from the main team -- and > not something downstream. > What's wrong with "downstream"? Have the PCBSD or FreesBIE guys somehow altered things in an untrustworthy or unprofessional way? How are these releases any different than Ubuntu, or Fedora, or SuSE, or _every_single_linux_release_in_existance? Surely you don't get your linux kernel from kernel.org and then go assemble the rest of the OS from the source -- from the main team -- do you? Having derivative releases like FreeSBIE and PCBSD and others is an excellent way to make the release process scalable and able to meet the wants and needs to different users, yourself included. In fact, I think it's an utter waste of time for the FreeBSD release team to worry about packages on disc1 and whatnot. That needs to be done by teams who can focus on doing that task and doing it well. The FreeBSD releases need to become bare-bones references for others to build on an repackage and grow and improve. That's already started, but the efforts of those teams needs to be highlighted and given more, dare I say it, respect. They are the future that will bring FreeBSD to a wider audience. They need to be treated as first-class developers and members of the FreeBSD family; the "official" freebsd.org releases need to relegated to being just bare-bones bits that are there for others to bring to the masses. Go give these releases a try. They do an excellent job of packaging and installing exactly the stuff that you've mentioned that you want. Scott