From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 4 09:08:29 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09F55106564A for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2011 09:08:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sthaug@nethelp.no) Received: from bizet.nethelp.no (bizet.nethelp.no [195.1.209.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4B13B8FC0A for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2011 09:08:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 84279 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2011 09:08:26 -0000 Received: from bizet.nethelp.no (HELO localhost) (195.1.209.33) by bizet.nethelp.no with SMTP; 4 Dec 2011 09:08:26 -0000 Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2011 10:08:26 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <20111204.100826.74672472.sthaug@nethelp.no> To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org From: sthaug@nethelp.no In-Reply-To: <4EDABDE8.9060406@FreeBSD.org> References: <4ED974A2.7080606@FreeBSD.org> <4ED9EA27.8090206@inse.ru> <4EDABDE8.9060406@FreeBSD.org> X-Mailer: Mew version 3.3 on Emacs 21.3 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: CVS removal from the base X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2011 09:08:29 -0000 > I want to ask some serious questions here, because I genuinely want to > understand your thought process. > > 1. Do you install *any* ports/packages on a new system before you update > the source? Answering just for myself here... Going back a bit, in many cases I didn't need to install any packages. Nowadays as a minimum I install Perl. > 2. If so, why is installing one more unthinkable? It's not unthinkable. However, IMHO we're then gradually edging closer to various Linux distros that need lots of packages installed to do anything useful. And that, of course, brings up the question - why not just use Linux in the first place? For me, having FreeBSD as a "self contained" system with lots of useful functionality in the base system is one of the main reasons why I use FreeBSD. > 3. Why is it a problem if the port/package you need to install in the > early stages has dependencies? For me the dependency on other ports/packages, in itself, is not really a problem. I am much more worried about the fact that a FreeBSD release corresponds to one particular point in time, while the ports collection moves on - and that we'll end up with a FreeBSD release which is broken with the existing ports collection (but works with an earlier version). Steinar Haug, Nethelp consulting, sthaug@nethelp.no