From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 29 20:44:31 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2691106564A for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2011 20:44:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from talon@lpthe.jussieu.fr) Received: from shiva.jussieu.fr (shiva.jussieu.fr [134.157.0.129]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A9FF8FC13 for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2011 20:44:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from parthe.lpthe.jussieu.fr (parthe.lpthe.jussieu.fr [134.157.10.1]) by shiva.jussieu.fr (8.14.4/jtpda-5.4) with ESMTP id p7TKhpfY001907 for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2011 22:43:51 +0200 (CEST) X-Ids: 164 Received: from niobe.lpthe.jussieu.fr (niobe.lpthe.jussieu.fr [134.157.10.41]) by parthe.lpthe.jussieu.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E11AB21C64 for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2011 22:44:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: by niobe.lpthe.jussieu.fr (Postfix, from userid 2005) id 9E61A4ADF; Mon, 29 Aug 2011 22:44:27 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 22:44:27 +0200 From: Michel Talon To: freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <20110829204427.GA63528@lpthe.jussieu.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Miltered: at jchkmail.jussieu.fr with ID 4E5BFA2D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http : // j-chkmail dot ensmp dot fr)! X-j-chkmail-Enveloppe: 4E5BFA2D.000/134.157.10.1/parthe.lpthe.jussieu.fr/parthe.lpthe.jussieu.fr/ Cc: Subject: Re: Ports system quality X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 20:44:31 -0000 >Chad Perrin said: > >On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 12:17:12AM -0700, Doug Barton wrote: >> FreeBSD needs to get better in this area, but I seriously doubt it >> will >> ever be as easy and painless as something like ubuntu. > >For a great many use cases, Ubuntu is one of the most painful "desktop" >user experiences I have ever encountered. Please, *please* do not >emulate Ubuntu. Any discussion on such subjects should begin by switching off the reality distortion field. For *my own experience* Ubuntu works perfectly OK, in particular all the hardware on my laptop works, suspend works, i have zero problem keeping the "ports" updated, etc. It is the completely no fuss solution. Wether FreeBSD needs to go in a direction or another is a different subject, but *please* be objective in your descriptions. By the way: >it installs software and runs >servers the user will never have any occasion to use, with no obvious >way >to deactivate them; and it essentially enforces the use of huge >collections of software by way of hopelessly intertangled dependencies. is a sentence you can easily apply to any modern system. And most users could not care less that there is *bloat* on their hard disk. Anyways you can find a functional and installable desktop Ubuntu system on a simple CDROM, show me the same for FreeBSD and i will happily conclude it is less bloated. And for the same price you have on said CDROM a live system and an installer which is not a joke like FreeBSD one. Wonder why one system has more users than the other ... -- Michel TALON