From owner-freebsd-current Thu Sep 5 08:26:41 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA24010 for current-outgoing; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 08:26:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pillar.elsevier.co.uk (root@pillar.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.222.35]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA23996 for ; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 08:26:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from snowdon.elsevier.co.uk (snowdon.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.197.164]) by pillar.elsevier.co.uk (8.6.13/8.6.12) with ESMTP id QAA23471 for ; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 16:24:23 +0100 Received: from tees.elsevier.co.uk (actually host tees) by snowdon with SMTP (PP); Thu, 5 Sep 1996 16:26:15 +0100 Received: (from dpr@localhost) by tees.elsevier.co.uk (8.6.13/8.6.12) id QAA07212; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 16:25:20 +0100 To: rkw@dataplex.net (Richard Wackerbarth) Cc: Paul Richards , current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Latest Current build failure References: From: Paul Richards Date: 05 Sep 1996 16:25:19 +0100 In-Reply-To: rkw@dataplex.net's message of Thu, 5 Sep 1996 08:32:46 -0500 Message-ID: <573f0xx9uo.fsf@elsevier.co.uk> Lines: 27 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.30 Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk rkw@dataplex.net (Richard Wackerbarth) writes: > If I misunderstand their position, I wish that someone would state a > MINIMAL set of things that I would have to demonstrate to satisfy the > "prototype" requirement sufficiently to allow me to start removing the > roadblocks that are throughout the system. Umm, well can we start this thread again on a more technical basis. A good place to start would be to list the current shortcomings that people have with the current build system, work out a new design that solves them and finally come up with a solution that can be incrementally implemented so as not to make the system unusable at any stage. Each stage can then be prototyped and incorporated without requiring the all singing-all dancing implementation to be prototyped from scratch and all in one go. People may get a better idea of the purpose of the changes if they're done in stages, phased development is generally the best way I find to move people towards a goal that they don't appreciate from the outset. -- Paul Richards. Originative Solutions Ltd. (Netcraft Ltd. contractor) Elsevier Science TIS online journal project. Email: p.richards@elsevier.co.uk Phone: 0370 462071 (Mobile), +44 (0)1865 843155