From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Sep 26 12:14:18 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA26D15396 for ; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 12:14:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA88564; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 20:06:58 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 20:06:57 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: "Rodney W. Grimes" Cc: Gary Palmer , Alex Zepeda , chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: On hub.freebsd.org refusing to talk to dialups Message-ID: <19990926200657.A87841@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> References: <64194.938367636@noop.colo.erols.net> <199909261756.KAA10120@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <199909261756.KAA10120@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net>; from Rodney W. Grimes on Sun, Sep 26, 1999 at 10:56:30AM -0700 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, Sep 26, 1999 at 10:56:30AM -0700, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > Should a BOF at BSDCon be asked for to discuss these issues? I think > it would make for a hot and heated BOF with lots of understanding > by both the ISP and user community about where the current state of the > art is headed with respect to filtering, redirection, and other tools > being applied to combat the spam problem. I'd be surprised if it's worthwhile. Those of us that are knowledgeable enough to be complaining about automatic port 25 redirects are also smart enough to configure our systems so that they're not open relays[1]. I don't think any of us have a problem with ISPs doing it as long as there always remains a way to opt out. Any ISP that starts restricting the host/port combinations that hosts on my side of the link can talk to on the wider Internet will lose my custom very quickly. N [1] I haven't seen it mentioned in this thread yet. http://www.abuse.net/relay.html is a useful tool to check whether or not you have things configured correctly. -- [intentional self-reference] can be easily accommodated using a blessed, non-self-referential dummy head-node whose own object destructor severs the links. -- Tom Christiansen in <375143b5@cs.colorado.edu> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message