From owner-freebsd-ipfw@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 2 14:38:26 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ipfw@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CDEB37B404 for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 14:38:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from laptop.tenebras.com (laptop.tenebras.com [66.92.188.18]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2FE4843FD7 for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 14:38:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kudzu@tenebras.com) Received: (qmail 21894 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2003 21:38:24 -0000 Received: from sapphire.tenebras.com (HELO tenebras.com) (192.168.188.241) by 0 with SMTP; 2 Jul 2003 21:38:24 -0000 Message-ID: <3F0350C7.7010009@tenebras.com> Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2003 14:38:15 -0700 From: Michael Sierchio User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i386; en-US; rv:1.3.1) Gecko/20030425 X-Accept-Language: en-us, zh-tw, zh-cn, fr, en, de-de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-ipfw@freebsd.org, freebsd-net@freebsd.org References: <3F0316DE.3040301@tenebras.com> <20030702183838.GB4179@pit.databus.com> <3F0327FE.3030609@tenebras.com> <3F0331EE.6020707@mac.com> In-Reply-To: <3F0331EE.6020707@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Performance improvement for NAT in IPFIREWALL X-BeenThere: freebsd-ipfw@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: IPFW Technical Discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2003 21:38:26 -0000 Chuck Swiger wrote: > Many people are wrong, then. NAT is not a security feature. We simply disagree. > [ NAT sucks. In a very useful way, of course. Exogenous requirements > may impose unreasonable constraints upon implementing the technically > preferrable solution, just as "inept excess verbiage may disqualify > qualifiers". And "But soft, what light through yonder window breaks?" > and other tasty bits from the "Applesoft Reference Manual".... ] Yep, NAT sucks. Exogenous requirements are often generated by marketing fools who think we need to match a technically trivial and meaningless feature in someone else's product. However, twenty some odd years of software engineering has taught me to pick my fights ;-) Back to the original topic -- divert functionality for ng_ksocket? Useful for much more than nat.