From owner-freebsd-java Fri Feb 7 0:36:49 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE72C37B401; Fri, 7 Feb 2003 00:36:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from testmail.wolves.k12.mo.us (testmail.wolves.k12.mo.us [207.160.214.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBD8343FA3; Fri, 7 Feb 2003 00:36:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cdillon@wolves.k12.mo.us) Received: by testmail.wolves.k12.mo.us (Postfix, from userid 1001) id E9573CF48; Fri, 7 Feb 2003 02:36:32 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by testmail.wolves.k12.mo.us (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFE14CD23; Fri, 7 Feb 2003 02:36:32 -0600 (CST) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 02:36:32 -0600 (CST) From: Chris Dillon To: Bill Huey Cc: Max Khon , Marc van Kempen , John Polstra , "John L. Utz III" , Brent Verner , freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, rwatson@freesbsd.org, calvin.austin@sun.com, brian@collab.net, bod@freebsdfoundation.org Subject: Re: patchset 2 report (billh's resignation) In-Reply-To: <20030207011437.GE3899@gnuppy.monkey.org> Message-ID: <20030207013834.U10604@duey.wolves.k12.mo.us> References: <20030206202913.GA2285@gnuppy.monkey.org> <01E2A478-3A25-11D7-8CFD-0003930B8FFA@bowtie.nl> <20030207062013.A46600@iclub.nsu.ru> <20030207011437.GE3899@gnuppy.monkey.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 6 Feb 2003, Bill Huey wrote: > On Fri, Feb 07, 2003 at 06:20:13AM +0600, Max Khon wrote: > > They asked glewis and nate. Isn't that enough? Someone invested > > some amount of money and they have given it to Alexey. That's > > simple. > > No way, they did so without understanding a preexisting and implicit > political structure in this group. I have always been apart of the > inner circle until Nate decided to go completely nuts and feel > threatened by my involvement with the project. Might as well throw my two cents in, since everybody else already has... It seems to me that, if I understand what I've read in this huge thread correctly, your beef stems from the FF not understanding the "political structure" of the Java group. This non-understanding results in the FF handing out money to the wrong person, in your eyes. Now, here come the million-dollar questions: How was the FF supposed to know of this political structure or even of your existence? Is it common knowledge? Has it been plastered all over the front pages of newspapers? Was it handed down from Above on stone tablets? Apparently it was none of the above, so they ask the only two people they have as contacts in the project who they should give the money to. They don't contact you, because they don't even know you exist. You can't expect them to "just know". They apparently had no reason to distrust the input of their contacts, so things proceeded accordingly. Now, not letting the most recent events cloud rational thought, how is the FF initially overlooking you in any way their fault? -- Chris Dillon - cdillon(at)wolves.k12.mo.us FreeBSD: The fastest and most stable server OS on the planet - Available for IA32 (Intel x86) and Alpha architectures - IA64, PowerPC, UltraSPARC, ARM, and S/390 under development - http://www.freebsd.org No trees were harmed in the composition of this message, although some electrons were mildly inconvenienced. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message