From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 4 00:27:50 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEA5F16A469 for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2007 00:27:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from oceanare@pacific.net.sg) Received: from smtpgate1.pacific.net.sg (smtpgate1.pacific.net.sg [203.120.90.31]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 52AED13C465 for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2007 00:27:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from oceanare@pacific.net.sg) Received: (qmail 19698 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2007 00:27:48 -0000 Received: from bb121-7-106-120.singnet.com.sg (HELO P2120.somewherefaraway.com) (oceanare@121.7.106.120) by smtpgate1.pacific.net.sg with ESMTPA; 4 Sep 2007 00:27:47 -0000 Message-ID: <46DCA67D.8010809@pacific.net.sg> Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2007 08:27:41 +0800 From: Erich Dollansky User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20070826) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ghirai References: <60608.18289.qm@web30810.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20070903225247.bd5622ff.ghirai@ghirai.com> <20070903163141.2f4e1f9e.wmoran@potentialtech.com> <20070903234458.cb13c501.ghirai@ghirai.com> <20070903174654.1afa4354.wmoran@potentialtech.com> <20070904021752.0066b70a.ghirai@ghirai.com> In-Reply-To: <20070904021752.0066b70a.ghirai@ghirai.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: periodic freeze and reset X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2007 00:27:51 -0000 Hi, I have had crashes too on my machine with the 6.2 RELEASE kernel. They are gone since I use a custom kernel. The fun is that I have t use the rl NIC driver like you do. Erich Ghirai wrote: > On Mon, 3 Sep 2007 17:46:54 -0400 > Bill Moran wrote: > >> Ghirai wrote: >>> On Mon, 3 Sep 2007 16:31:41 -0400 >>> Bill Moran wrote: >>> >>>> Ghirai wrote: >>>>> Hello list, >>>>> >>>>> My desktop running 6.2-STABLE is freezing then resetting shortly after. >>>>> This behaviour happens every couple hours, for no apparent reason. >>>>> >>>>> I checked messages, etc, there's nothing there. >>>>> >>>>> This is getting annoying... :/ >>>>> >>>>> I'd appreciate any hints/where to look/what to look for. >>>> My first guess would be hardware problems. Have you run memtest? >>>> Checked for cooling problems? cpuburn to test for a flaky CPU? >>>> >>> Haven't ran any hw monitors/test, but i spend time periodically in windows, >>> about 2-3 days each time, and it didn't crash reset. >>> >>> That's why i think there are no hw issues. >>> >>> In FreeBSD the freeze+resets occur and seemingly random intervals, but >>> not longer than 30 hours. Mostly within 6 hours. >> That seems to suggest that it isn't hardware, but doesn't completely >> eliminate the possibility. >> >> Often, vendors write drivers to work around known deficiencies in their >> hardware. Since FreeBSD's drivers are written to the specs, they may >> expose these deficiencies while the vendor's drivers intentionally avoid >> them. >> >> Additionally, FreeBSD seems to work hardware in different ways than >> Windows, thus tickling corner cases with hardware that's just barely >> failing. Run some hardware tests to be sure. >> >> Also, the driver issue that was raised is a good point. I've seen a >> number of buggy NICs where the vendor's driver worked around the >> bugginess so it _looked_ like FreeBSD was at fault. >> >> Make sure all your hardware is known to work on FreeBSD. >> > > > All right, i'll do some tests with the NIC, change it, etc. > I'll post back results. > > Thanks. >