From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 19 17:30:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ports@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C424516A474 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 17:30:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: from dragon.NUXI.org (trang.nuxi.com [66.93.134.19]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3B6143D6D for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 17:30:08 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: from dragon.NUXI.org (obrien@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dragon.NUXI.org (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5JHU8MM083406 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 10:30:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.NUXI.org) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.NUXI.org (8.13.6/8.13.1/Submit) id k5JHU87l083405 for ports@freebsd.org; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 10:30:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 10:30:08 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: ports@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20060619173008.GC82807@dragon.NUXI.org> References: <20060619104907.GA19909@dragon.NUXI.org> <20060619145340.GC702@underworld.novel.ru> <20060619142303.GA95649@toxic.magnesium.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060619142303.GA95649@toxic.magnesium.net> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 7.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD Group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 Cc: Subject: Re: [PATCH] update editors/vim from 6.4->7.0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: obrien@freebsd.org List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 17:30:14 -0000 On Mon, Jun 19, 2006 at 10:23:03AM -0400, Adam Weinberger wrote: > >> (06.19.2006 @ 1053 PST): Roman Bogorodskiy said, in 0.8K: << > > David O'Brien wrote: > > [..] > > > What I'm not interested in at this time: > > > * Tweaks to the "WITH_*" build options, or default GUI. > > > > Aren't you interested in changing of the default GUI only at this moment > > or in general? I think gtk20 GUI would be much better than gtk12 one. > > Roman Bogorodskiy > > David has taken the time to explain this to me multiple times, so I > hope that he's okay with me answering this question for him. > > David looks at the GUI situation from an > absolute-number-of-dependencies perspective, and GTK2 has many more > dependencies than GTK1.2. The GTK1.2 interface works just fine, and the > WITH_ switch to install the GTK2 GUI works too. GTK1.2 is much smaller > than GTK2, and the GTK1.2 code has been in vim for much longer. > > David has never expressed any problem with having vim install GTK2 by > default if the GTK2 libraries are already installed. Show him a patch, > and show that it works, and I bet that he'll have no problem with it. > > But making vim use GTK2 by absolute default hasn't been on his list of > issues that are worth the extra bloat that GTK2 adds. > > David, is this a fair summary? Adam gives a fair summary. (David is an old-fart who is still using CTWM and the same basic .ctwmrc file for the past 12 years, and hasn't bought into the GNOME & KDE bloatware.) While there may be a time the GUI lib issue will have to be visited, isn't it better to not delay or derail the upgrade. I would love to have a package of everything except the Vim binary, and then have a dozen Vim binaries built various ways. And even have things clean enough to have all of them installed at the same time. Unfortunately we aren't there yet. -- -- David (obrien@FreeBSD.org) Q: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. A: Why is top-posting (putting a reply at the top of the message) frowned upon?