From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 29 16:20:45 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from server.soekris.com (dnai-216-15-61-44.cust.dnai.com [216.15.61.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D13C637B719 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 16:20:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from soren@soekris.com) Received: from soekris.com ([192.168.1.4]) by server.soekris.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id QAA33233; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 16:20:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from soren@soekris.com) Message-ID: <3AC3D152.7D0FD148@soekris.com> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 16:20:34 -0800 From: Soren Kristensen Organization: Soekris Engineering X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dennis Cc: Chris Dillon , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: if_fxp - the real point References: <5.0.0.25.0.20010328165848.03e9bcd0@mail.etinc.com> <5.0.0.25.0.20010329183557.030eeda0@mail.etinc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Sorry everybody, I have to express my opinion now. Dennis, it seems like that you keep repeating yourself here.... And you keep being wrong. As a hardware designer myself, I can assure you that there is no connection between hardware quality and level of documentation. And having fought with Intel getting documentation myself on other parts, I have long time ago decided to only use Intel parts if I really have to, just like more and more engineers decides. Most other vendors, incl the best ones, don't have any problem releasing full documentation. Intel just don't get it, they had had that arrogant attitude for years, and now that they don't own the PC market anymore, they're going to pay for it. Regards, Soren And btw, this discussion really should be taken somewhere else, so don't expect any follow ups from me here. Dennis wrote: > > I think that boycotting Intel and 3Com says enough to dispute your > argument. The possible fact that some "good hardware" is disclosed doesnt > make for good counterpoint. > > Generally, companies that "just crank out hardware" disclose their hardware > specs., and releasing source is a last ditch effort when a company finds > its software not good enough to sell. Value added vendors dont release such > things, and value-added vendors tend to be the more dominant vendors. > > DB > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message