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Thu, 16 May 2019 12:26:40 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: OT: android phone backup NOT to google cloud question To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20190516100114.fcb08b7ba3ac1b5b5f16ed1c@sohara.org> <20190516122939.038c64aa@archlinux> <16b98026-7c84-2e63-573b-9599282efea4@kicp.uchicago.edu> From: Karl Denninger Openpgp: preference=signencrypt Autocrypt: addr=karl@denninger.net; prefer-encrypt=mutual; keydata= mQINBFIX1zsBEADRcJfsQUl9oFeoMfLPJ1kql+3sIaYx0MfJAUhV9LnbWxr0fsWCskM1O4cV tHm5dqPkuPM4Ztc0jLotD1i9ubWvCHOlkLGxFOL+pFbjA+XZ7VKsC/xWmhMwJ3cM8HavK2OV SzEWQ/AEYtMi04IzGSwsxh/5/5R0mPHrsIomV5SbuiI0vjLuDj7fo6146AABI1ULzge4hBYW i/SHrqUrLORmUNBs6bxek79/B0Dzk5cIktD3LOfbT9EAa5J/osVkstMBhToJgQttaMIGv8SG CzpR/HwEokE+7DP+k2mLHnLj6H3kfugOF9pJH8Za4yFmw//s9cPXV8WwtZ2SKfVzn1unpKqf wmJ1PwJoom/d4fGvQDkgkGKRa6RGC6tPmXnqnx+YX4iCOdFfbP8L9rmk2sewDDVzHDU3I3ZZ 8hFIjMYM/QXXYszRatK0LCV0QPZuF7LCf4uQVKw1/oyJInsnH7+6a3c0h21x+CmSja9QJ+y0 yzgEN/nM89d6YTakfR+1xkYgodVmMy/bS8kmXbUUZG/CyeqCqc95RUySjKT2ECrf9GhhoQkl +D8n2MsrAUSMGB4GQSN+TIq9OBTpNuvATGSRuF9wnQcs1iSry+JNCpfRTyWp83uCNApe6oHU EET4Et6KDO3AvjvBMAX0TInTRGW2SQlJMuFKpc7Dg7tHK8zzqQARAQABtCNLYXJsIERlbm5p bmdlciA8a2FybEBkZW5uaW5nZXIubmV0PokCPAQTAQIAJgUCUhfXOwIbIwUJCWYBgAYLCQgH AwIEFQIIAwQWAgMBAh4BAheAAAoJEG6/sivc5s0PLxQP/i6x/QFx9G4Cw7C+LthhLXIm7NSH AtNbz2UjySEx2qkoQQjtsK6mcpEEaky4ky6t8gz0/SifIfJmSmyAx0UhUQ0WBv1vAXwtNrQQ jJd9Bj6l4c2083WaXyHPjt2u2Na6YFowyb4SaQb83hu/Zs25vkPQYJVVE0JX409MFVPUa6E3 zFbd1OTr3T4yNUy4gNeQZfzDqDS8slbIks2sXeoJrZ6qqXVI0ionoivOlaN4T6Q0UYyXtigj dQvvhMt0aNowKFjRqrmSDRpdz+o6yg7Mp7qEZ1V6EZk8KqQTH6htpCTQ8i79ttK4LG6bstSF Re6Fwq52nbrcANrcdmtZXqjo+SGbUqJ8b1ggrxAsJ5MEhRh2peKrCgI/TjQo+ZxfnqEoR4AI 46Cyiz+/lcVvlvmf2iPifS3EEdaH3Itfwt7MxFm6mQORYs6skHDw3tOYB2/AdCW6eRVYs2hB RMAG4uwApZfZDKgRoE95PJmQjeTBiGmRPcsQZtNESe7I7EjHtCDLwtJqvD4HkDDQwpzreT6W XkyIJ7ns7zDfA1E+AQhFR6rsTFGgQZRZKsVeov3SbhYKkCnVDCvb/PKQCAGkSZM9SvYG5Yax 8CMry3AefKktf9fqBFg8pWqtVxDwJr56dhi0GHXRu3jVI995rMGo1fLUG5fSxiZ8L5sAtokh 9WFmQpyl Message-ID: <4e6911c0-7e9d-42bf-f26c-ff816293cd0e@denninger.net> Date: Thu, 16 May 2019 12:26:40 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; 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TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,multipart/alternative,text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[denninger.net]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[] X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 May 2019 17:27:13 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms010909050900060506090809 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 5/16/2019 11:37, Valeri Galtsev wrote: > > > On 2019-05-16 05:29, Ralf Mardorf via freebsd-questions wrote: >> Is for Android devices nothing available similar to iTunes for iOS >> devices? > > Depending on vendor... > > Speaking for Motorola (bought out by Lenovo not long ago if I'm not > mistaken): nope. Other vendors: say, my old (~ 5 years maybe) Samsung > Galaxy note 3 I got through AT&T - there was tool to make local own > backup (can not vouch for full restore like iTunes allows for > iDevices), but it's been too long since. > > My general impression is things got worse, i.e. google cloud, or maybe > some vendors will offer their cloud instead of google. On the other > hand the company invested so much of money (I'm staying from guessing > about source of it) into data mining does want data trickle to them, > even if you get your data back ultimately. I mean as investment, > making android system, and keeping developing it, and supporting huge > variety of hardware. Cost is enormous, there should be even bigger > return on investment. So as return my suspicious mind would call the > data android system allows its creator to receive. The base issue is that without root you can't get into the application-specific directories nor to any of the system settings (since they're owned by root) and Scroogle has been allowed to put forward a model of selling you something that isn't actually yours (you can't get administrative access to), and if you break into it (which in many but not all cases you can) they refuse at least some services (e.g. Google Pay, and now in some cases their App Store stuff.)=C2=A0 Their codebase has gotten much more aggressive about detecting root on devices over the last few years and so have manufacturers with implementing things like anti-rollback security fuses in the bootloader which, if you're not careful, can brick your device. There's a fairly-severe problem here in terms of general consumer protection law, at least in the US, but nobody will go after it.=C2=A0 In= short if Scroogle was forced to call your phone "purchase" a *lease* or similar (e.g. you don't really own and can't do with as you wish or they'll play hammer games with you) that crap would stop.=C2=A0 But then again that same model is infesting all sorts of other things nowdays too -- including things like farm tractors. I don't like it but when you get down to it it is what it is. I use Z-Push to provide an exchange sync option that works with mobiles here and support it at a number of client sites, and contributed a "notes" backend for it to that project (along with a handful of bug fixes over the years) which works against Postgres as a back end.=C2=A0 W= ith that setup you then can use things like BlackBerry's Hub+ suite for contacts/calendar/note management and keep all of that plus email off Scroogle's infrastructure while maintaining cross-platform compatibility with Windows and Unix (FreeBSD/Linux) client machines.=C2=A0 The ultimate= back end for calendars and contacts is Radicale and for email I use the typical Postfix/Dovecot combination.=C2=A0 Been running it for a number o= f years and am quite happy with it.=C2=A0 It doesn't solve the app-specific= stuff that Scroogle does to you on Android but it DOES keep your email, contact and calendar data off their infrastructure so they can't scrape i= t. --=20 Karl Denninger karl@denninger.net /The Market 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