From owner-freebsd-current Thu May 2 0:15:46 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from hcshh.hcs.de (hcshh.hcs.de [194.123.40.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89C9837B41E for ; Thu, 2 May 2002 00:15:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.hcs.de [127.0.0.1]) by hcshh.hcs.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26FBD15545; Thu, 2 May 2002 09:15:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hcswork.hcs.de (hcswork.hcs.de [172.24.124.5]) by hcshh.hcs.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B38515522; Thu, 2 May 2002 09:15:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: by hcswork.hcs.de (Postfix, from userid 200) id 36A695D0; Thu, 2 May 2002 09:15:39 +0200 (METDST) Subject: Re: Save a few hunderd kilobytes or a few hundred perl users? In-Reply-To: <20020501.181640.79019608.imp@village.org> "from M. Warner Losh at May 1, 2002 06:16:40 pm" To: "M. Warner Losh" Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 09:15:39 +0200 (METDST) Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: hm@hcs.de Organization: HCS Hanseatischer Computerservice GmbH X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL84 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Message-Id: <20020502071539.36A695D0@hcswork.hcs.de> From: hm@hcs.de (Hellmuth Michaelis) X-Virus-Scanned-HCS: by AMaViS perl-11 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG From the keyboard of M. Warner Losh: > My take on this. We should remove perl from the base, and > automatically install the port for most users in sysinstall, just like > we do with XFree86. OK, fine and if then an option "FETCH_MAKE_AND_INSTALL_PERL_FROM_PORTS" is added to make.conf and made working so that make buildworld/installworld updates go transparenly without loosing perl (or any other component of the current base system, which will for shure be removed taking the perl removal as a precedent case) then i'm calmed down. In other words: this move from the base to the ports has to go unnoticed to the user for _all_ methods of installing and updating - IMHO otherwise FreeBSD will get real problems since perl (and what is currently in the base system - including gcc/gdb/etc and even sendmail :-) ) is considered an integral part of a base contemparary operating system by the user base (including sysadmins who are "only" _using_ FreeBSD). hellmuth -- Hellmuth Michaelis Tel +49 40 55 97 47-70 HCS Hanseatischer Computerservice GmbH Fax +49 40 55 97 47-77 Oldesloer Strasse 97-99 Mail hm [at] hcs.de D-22457 Hamburg WWW http://www.hcs.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message