From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 21:07:14 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FB2F16A4D3 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:07:11 +0000 (GMT) Received: from myway.com (nn7.excitenetwork.com [207.159.120.61]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 969AF43D1D for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:07:10 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ad5gb@myway.com) Received: by mprdmxin.myway.com (Postfix, from userid 110) id D92753976; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 16:07:02 -0500 (EST) To: bulliver@badcomputer.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from [216.37.88.11] by mprdmailfe1.nwk.myway.com via HTTP; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 16:07:02 EST X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: ID = 55d7dca004bce6cff4cfdb05d5fc0634 From: "ad5gb" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: ad5gb@myway.com X-Mailer: PHP Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20050212210702.D92753976@mprdmxin.myway.com> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 16:07:02 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Freebsd vs. linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: ad5gb@myway.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:07:14 -0000 Did I miss something here? If so, please forgive the intrusion and waste of bandwidth. But I don't recall David saying that FreeBSD had a superior human interface... anywhere. I tend to agree with David having had to try to build software on my FBSD systems that came from the 'Linux community' (i.e. stuff outside of the ports or packages trees) and some of it has a MS-ish 'feel' in that it's our way or the highway. Much of this stuff seems to have a definite MS look-and-feel and even to the point of MS-like annoyances. I agree with you however that Linux is lovable. Indeed. I am fortunate enough to work for a company who uses it in every one of it's 3300+ stores across the nation. And it does things that MS can only DREAM of doing. What really separates the OS's though is the kernel. Not userland software. In my humble ( and somewhat limited ) opinion.... the BSD kernel has proven to be far more robust and reliable than it's Linux counterpart. I've used FBSD since 2.1.0 and in all but a few occasions, FBSD's TCP/IP and networking performance exceeded any of the Linux distros performance by margins of as little as 5%, to as much as 20% in measurable throughput. ( I used to have a lot of time on my hands so I could fool with such things) >From a personal standpoint, what bugs me MOST about the Linux kernel, is the "thread-is-a-process" notion. It drives me nuts. (I'll make an appointment tomorrow) The latest 5x FBSD kernels have shown significant progress (and advantage over Linux) in multi-threading in my limited testing. Out of the box.... Linux distros might be 'prettier' with more elaborate 'default' menu configurations and such. But IMH(and limited)O the kernels can't compete. But let your own bit/byte counts be your guide. Humbly.... -- Randall D. DuCharme (Radio AD5GB) Powered by FreeBSD! The Power to Serve --- On Sat 02/12, darren kirby < bulliver@badcomputer.org > wrote: From: darren kirby [mailto: bulliver@badcomputer.org] To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:41:01 -0800 Subject: Re: Freebsd vs. linux quoth the David Kelly:

> Look closely at the Linux community and you'll find its mostly
> ex-Windows users focused on what Microsoft is doing. The desire is to
> one-up Microsoft at Microsoft's own game. Their definition of
> "computer" and "human interface" was written by Microsoft and still
> can't think outside of that box.

I think your interpretation here is a tad glib. Sure there are thousands of
people coming to Linux because they 'hate' MS. Sure they don't know gcc from
ppc but I don't think it is fair to call them the 'community', rather a small
subset. Do you think these people are writing any software? Are they
designing programming interfaces? Do they have a damn thing to do with the
development of Linux or any of its supporting software? Hell no. They are
just users clogging up the message boards and mailing lists with stupid
questions. "Human Interface"? Am I missing something? Can you please tell me
where the much superior FreeBSD human interface can be downloaded? In the
console they are pretty much the same keystroke for keystroke, and on the
desktop it is all the same software...

I run FreeBSD and Linux, and I love them both. I am trying to point out that
when you slam Linux developers with pettiness and name calling that you are
no better than all the lusers slamming MS, and thinking they're leet because
they installed Fedora? I have noticed a lot of this on FreeBSD lists, and I
think it is counterproductive because it is unprofessional and in the end
more people using Linux means more people running free software which
benefits _all_ of us...and besides, it is offensive to people like me that
just like playing with 'nix boxes and run both.

Why can't you just run your FreeBSD and feel superior, silently?

> Look closely at the BSD community and you'll find those who are working
> at creating a better tool to serv e their needs. Much debate about
> exactly what constitutes "better" so there is also quite a bit of
> experimenting. What you won't find is Microsoft as the yardstick by
> which BSD's measure.
>
> --
> David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@HiWAAY.net
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> Whom computers would destroy, they must first drive mad.
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